Floyd's resume.

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OK makes sense. I think Pernell did what Floyd has done earlier and better.

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OK makes sense. I think Pernell did what Floyd has done earlier and better.

I will bow to your greater knowledge. Mainly lurk on here without posting, but I found some comments in this thread a bit much.

There are a handful of fighters in the history of boxing that have achieved what mayweather has, yet he's derided by certain people, mainly due to his personality.

Although his attitude may not be palatable to everyone, his resume, skills and longevity are unmatched in the last 25 years.

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OK makes sense. I think Pernell did what Floyd has done earlier and better.

I will bow to your greater knowledge. Mainly lurk on here without posting, but I found some comments in this thread a bit much.

There are a handful of fighters in the history of boxing that have achieved what mayweather has, yet he's derided by certain people, mainly due to his personality.

Although his attitude may not be palatable to everyone, his resume, skills and longevity are unmatched in the last 25 years.

Much of that is very true but its also true that Floyd never had a Leonard to fight or a Hearns or Benitez and Duran. The closest man he fought to that kind of talent he did so about 5 years past the use before date. He simply does not have the opponents. He does not get points because he made more money than anyone else.

Now he cant be blamed for the line up anymore then Hopkins can be for his middleweight run or Wlad for his present one. Hopkins still makes top 5 all time at middleweight by most historians.
I hope these historians that judge him on the record actually watch his fights and see the ease in which he defeated his opponents and apply that fact in their summations. I personally dont think he becomes who he is today had he fought in the eighties nor a few other eras but that does not mean he's not an Atg had he fought in any of them either.

Something we all need to consider also is that all these others that came before him never had to operate in this cesspool of total connectivity. We often question how he'd deal with their times but how would they deal with his? Would they be the same fighters?

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Although I don't feel that Floyd is the best ever, I believe that he is at least top 15 ever if not 10. And let me tell you, I didn't think I would ever rate him that high.

I agree with bean that the problem is that since mayweather is so hated that he is generally rated more harshly than others. Sure, Floyd could fight ggg and take that risk but I don't blame him for it. If he won the fight, his stock would go way up but without it, he is still great. I've always said that most fighters that people said Floyd ducked weren't really anything big anyways.

For example, lets say he fought Margarito. He most likely would have easily won and now it wouldn't even be considered much of a win. Same with Paul Williams. Most of his could have matches would have been another name that people would have called a decent win but not a great one.

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Although I don't feel that Floyd is the best ever, I believe that he is at least top 15 ever if not 10. And let me tell you, I didn't think I would ever rate him that high.

I agree with bean that the problem is that since mayweather is so hated that he is generally rated more harshly than others. Sure, Floyd could fight ggg and take that risk but I don't blame him for it. If he won the fight, his stock would go way up but without it, he is still great. I've always said that most fighters that people said Floyd ducked weren't really anything big anyways.

For example, lets say he fought Margarito. He most likely would have easily won and now it wouldn't even be considered much of a win. Same with Paul Williams. Most of his could have matches would have been another name that people would have called a decent win but not a great one.

I agree with your last point, to a degree. I often feel that it has to do with how well the other guy fights and pushes Floyd. A Hearns type performance by Willians or Margarito would've gone a long way for me, but I can see the haters still downplaying. Hell, maybe Floyd just makes anyone he fights look easy/worse than they are. I can see that point of view, although I don't agree with it.