Change one event in boxing history.

[ross]

Cus Damato lives for another 10 years.

It would have been interesting, but I don't think it would have changed things that much. Tyson is a head case and he would have screwed Cus over at some point. Camille Ewald was his surrogate mother and only died a few years ago, but she didn't seem to have much influence on him.

Tyson doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and I say that as a fan! He likes to blame everyone else for his mistakes and the long history of bad behaviour, but the fact is he's not a very nice person.

Camile Ewald never had a say in Mikes career or probably had a clue what was going on. Cus made Mike and if he and Jim Jacobs had not died so early in Mikes career would King have really got a hold on Mike? I doubt it. King needed Mike to lose those influential people.

[Bill Paxtom]

Dropping the Ban on Brockton-Block-Buster.

I push for immediate re-instatement.

[Master]

Dropping the Ban on Brockton-Block-Buster.

I push for immediate re-instatement.

You should have pushed for Ali's ban just as harder.

[tysonesque]

Cus Damato lives for another 10 years.

It would have been interesting, but I don't think it would have changed things that much. Tyson is a head case and he would have screwed Cus over at some point. Camille Ewald was his surrogate mother and only died a few years ago, but she didn't seem to have much influence on him.

Tyson doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and I say that as a fan! He likes to blame everyone else for his mistakes and the long history of bad behaviour, but the fact is he's not a very nice person.

Camile Ewald never had a say in Mikes career or probably had a clue what was going on. Cus made Mike and if he and Jim Jacobs had not died so early in Mikes career would King have really got a hold on Mike? I doubt it. King needed Mike to lose those influential people.

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference. Tyson is a self-destructive person and still behaved like an arsehole even when Cus was alive. He would have gone off the rails regardless.

[Master]

Cus Damato lives for another 10 years.

It would have been interesting, but I don't think it would have changed things that much. Tyson is a head case and he would have screwed Cus over at some point. Camille Ewald was his surrogate mother and only died a few years ago, but she didn't seem to have much influence on him.

Tyson doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and I say that as a fan! He likes to blame everyone else for his mistakes and the long history of bad behaviour, but the fact is he's not a very nice person.

Camile Ewald never had a say in Mikes career or probably had a clue what was going on. Cus made Mike and if he and Jim Jacobs had not died so early in Mikes career would King have really got a hold on Mike? I doubt it. King needed Mike to lose those influential people.

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference. Tyson is a self-destructive person and still behaved like an arsehole even when Cus was alive. He would have gone off the rails regardless.

Maybe you are right but maybe he would have kept more of the money he lost as well.

[IamInuit]

I'd transport back to Oct 22 1926 and camp outside Harry Grebs house and convince him to put off what was supposed to be routine surgery to his nose and throat. I'd tell him that he just had the glass eye put in a month earlier and it would be best to wait. Shit I'd throw him into the time machine or pick a fight lol.

[Master]

I'd transport back to Oct 22 1926 and camp outside Harry Grebs house and convince him to put off what was supposed to be routine surgery to his nose and throat. I'd tell him that he just had the glass eye put in a month earlier and it would be best to wait. Shit I'd throw him into the time machine or pick a fight lol.

I heard he was vain about his looks and it was a nose job that went wrong.

[IamInuit]

I'd transport back to Oct 22 1926 and camp outside Harry Grebs house and convince him to put off what was supposed to be routine surgery to his nose and throat. I'd tell him that he just had the glass eye put in a month earlier and it would be best to wait. Shit I'd throw him into the time machine or pick a fight lol.

I heard he was vain about his looks and it was a nose job that went wrong.

Nose and throat scraping I guess you'd call it. To many car wrecks. Tragedy for a fighter like him to go out like that. He would have never been allowed to go under that fast after his eye surgery today.

[Bill Paxtom]

Make a certain 'Heavyweight' a Japanese Wrestler.

We need more gimmicks.

[ross]

Cus Damato lives for another 10 years.

It would have been interesting, but I don't think it would have changed things that much. Tyson is a head case and he would have screwed Cus over at some point. Camille Ewald was his surrogate mother and only died a few years ago, but she didn't seem to have much influence on him.

Tyson doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and I say that as a fan! He likes to blame everyone else for his mistakes and the long history of bad behaviour, but the fact is he's not a very nice person.

Camile Ewald never had a say in Mikes career or probably had a clue what was going on. Cus made Mike and if he and Jim Jacobs had not died so early in Mikes career would King have really got a hold on Mike? I doubt it. King needed Mike to lose those influential people.

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference. Tyson is a self-destructive person and still behaved like an arsehole even when Cus was alive. He would have gone off the rails regardless.

He may have had small altercations but he would have trained properly without King giving him everything he wanted. Mike Tyson knew who was responsible for his success early but King made him believe he didnt need them and they were a chain round his neck.

You cannot compare those two periods of his career. King taking Mike and Mikes career turning to shit (compared to what it was) is more than just coincidence.

I believe had Damato and Jacobs been around to steady Mike he would have had a similar longevity to Wlad now, only with the whole world wanting to see all his fights. Holyfield would have just been a good little scrap while it lasted with Tyson winning. Bowe would have been awesome and Lewis would have faced Mike instead of McCall. Potentially Mike becomes the greatest heavy ever.

[tysonesque]

Cus Damato lives for another 10 years.

It would have been interesting, but I don't think it would have changed things that much. Tyson is a head case and he would have screwed Cus over at some point. Camille Ewald was his surrogate mother and only died a few years ago, but she didn't seem to have much influence on him.

Tyson doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and I say that as a fan! He likes to blame everyone else for his mistakes and the long history of bad behaviour, but the fact is he's not a very nice person.

Camile Ewald never had a say in Mikes career or probably had a clue what was going on. Cus made Mike and if he and Jim Jacobs had not died so early in Mikes career would King have really got a hold on Mike? I doubt it. King needed Mike to lose those influential people.

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference. Tyson is a self-destructive person and still behaved like an arsehole even when Cus was alive. He would have gone off the rails regardless.

He may have had small altercations but he would have trained properly without King giving him everything he wanted. Mike Tyson knew who was responsible for his success early but King made him believe he didnt need them and they were a chain round his neck.

You cannot compare those two periods of his career. King taking Mike and Mikes career turning to shit (compared to what it was) is more than just coincidence.

I believe had Damato and Jacobs been around to steady Mike he would have had a similar longevity to Wlad now, only with the whole world wanting to see all his fights. Holyfield would have just been a good little scrap while it lasted with Tyson winning. Bowe would have been awesome and Lewis would have faced Mike instead of McCall. Potentially Mike becomes the greatest heavy ever.

It's all ifs and buts with Mike.

The fact is, he's a fruitcake and has been in trouble his whole life, and that includes during the time he was with Cus. Even while he was in Cus' care he was constantly in trouble at school and eventually thrown out, he was also doing drugs and Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head when his wandering hands ended up on a very underage member of Teddy's family. It's really not the fairy tale people make it out to be.

The idea that Tyson would have kept himself out of trouble, lived the clean life of a dedicated athlete and reigned undefeated for a decade or more with Cus and Jacobs around is absurd. Even when he was at his peak and seemingly unbeatable, everyone who knew anything about Tyson predicted that he would self destruct and that's exactly what he did.

I'm a Tyson fan and he was truly outstanding at his best, but let's not let our adoration cloud our judgement. The man has dumped on every person who has ever been around him and pulled some unbelievably bad shit in his time. He's a pretty unpleasant individual with a long history of very serious criminal behaviour, violence towards women and is incredibly unpredictable and volatile. If he wasn't such a good fighter no one would give him the time of day.

[chinchekked]

Cus Damato lives for another 10 years.

It would have been interesting, but I don't think it would have changed things that much. Tyson is a head case and he would have screwed Cus over at some point. Camille Ewald was his surrogate mother and only died a few years ago, but she didn't seem to have much influence on him.

Tyson doesn't know the meaning of loyalty and I say that as a fan! He likes to blame everyone else for his mistakes and the long history of bad behaviour, but the fact is he's not a very nice person.

Camile Ewald never had a say in Mikes career or probably had a clue what was going on. Cus made Mike and if he and Jim Jacobs had not died so early in Mikes career would King have really got a hold on Mike? I doubt it. King needed Mike to lose those influential people.

I honestly don't think it would have made any difference. Tyson is a self-destructive person and still behaved like an arsehole even when Cus was alive. He would have gone off the rails regardless.

He may have had small altercations but he would have trained properly without King giving him everything he wanted. Mike Tyson knew who was responsible for his success early but King made him believe he didnt need them and they were a chain round his neck.

You cannot compare those two periods of his career. King taking Mike and Mikes career turning to shit (compared to what it was) is more than just coincidence.

I believe had Damato and Jacobs been around to steady Mike he would have had a similar longevity to Wlad now, only with the whole world wanting to see all his fights. Holyfield would have just been a good little scrap while it lasted with Tyson winning. Bowe would have been awesome and Lewis would have faced Mike instead of McCall. Potentially Mike becomes the greatest heavy ever.

It's all ifs and buts with Mike.

The fact is, he's a fruitcake and has been in trouble his whole life, and that includes during the time he was with Cus. Even while he was in Cus' care he was constantly in trouble at school and eventually thrown out, he was also doing drugs and Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head when his wandering hands ended up on a very underage member of Teddy's family. It's really not the fairy tale people make it out to be.

The idea that Tyson would have kept himself out of trouble, lived the clean life of a dedicated athlete and reigned undefeated for a decade or more with Cus and Jacobs around is absurd. Even when he was at his peak and seemingly unbeatable, everyone who knew anything about Tyson predicted that he would self destruct and that's exactly what he did.

I'm a Tyson fan and he was truly outstanding at his best, but let's not let our adoration cloud our judgement. The man has dumped on every person who has ever been around him and pulled some unbelievably bad shit in his time. He's a pretty unpleasant individual with a long history of very serious criminal behaviour, violence towards women and is incredibly unpredictable and volatile. If he wasn't such a good fighter no one would give him the time of day.

I agree but I definitely think that Cus being alive would have delayed his implosion which in turn would have given us more fights at or near his peak. Who knows for sure though?

[Master]

I think Tyson would have gone on a bit longer but he would have eventually got beat.

I think Holyfield would have taken a lot out of him, as Evander did with Bowe, and if Tyson did win the first fight if he had beaten Douglas, the fight would have been such an epic that they would have demanded a 2nd and 3rd fight which I could see Holyfield eventually winning.

Then there would be the new generation of Bowe and Lennox who at their best were top fighters. An older and aging Tyson would have eventually lost to them i think.

Tyson was showing decline in the Bruno fight.

[ross]

I think Tyson would have gone on a bit longer but he would have eventually got beat.

I think Holyfield would have taken a lot out of him, as Evander did with Bowe, and if Tyson did win the first fight if he had beaten Douglas, the fight would have been such an epic that they would have demanded a 2nd and 3rd fight which I could see Holyfield eventually winning.

Then there would be the new generation of Bowe and Lennox who at their best were top fighters. An older and aging Tyson would have eventually lost to them i think.

Tyson was showing decline in the Bruno fight.

If Tyson still had Cus and Jacobs would he have even wasted time fighting the likes of Douglas?

They were an exceptional team and what they would have had back then is akin to Mayweather today. It would have all been big fights, big names, no risks for little reward. The Foreman fight would have happened, Holyfield, Bowe...

[tysonesque]

I think Tyson would have gone on a bit longer but he would have eventually got beat.

I think Holyfield would have taken a lot out of him, as Evander did with Bowe, and if Tyson did win the first fight if he had beaten Douglas, the fight would have been such an epic that they would have demanded a 2nd and 3rd fight which I could see Holyfield eventually winning.

Then there would be the new generation of Bowe and Lennox who at their best were top fighters. An older and aging Tyson would have eventually lost to them i think.

Tyson was showing decline in the Bruno fight.

I would agree with that.

Tyson's mental state and nature is not that of a dedicated athlete who would have enjoyed a long reign. His style of fighting was a young man's game as well. To fight with that amount of intensity, movement and speed takes one hell of a lot of energy and conditioning. That's one of the reasons his defence fell apart in his later career - he just didn't have it in him to be constantly moving the head and rolling the upper body all over the place. His hand speed diminished considerably as well. He achieved so much at a young age because of his youth, not in spite of it.

You're certainly right about the Bruno fight. Bearing in mind that his last fight previous to that had been against Spinks, I barely recognised Tyson when he fought Frank. His timing was a mile off and he just looked terrible. I think he was out of the ring for something like 8 months, which was quite a long time for him back then, and he'd also ditched Rooney which is probably the most stupid thing he ever did. He was already going completely off the rails by the time he fought Bruno. He got away with it against Williams because he caught him in the first, but against Douglas his obvious lack of training and interest meant he came unstuck big time. Douglas fought the fight of his life on a night when Tyson thought he only had to turn up in order to win. After that he just didn't give a shit and his performances (or lack of) are evidence of that.

The last time Tyson looked good was against Spinks. All his post-Douglas and post- prison fights were pretty lame. Ironically, the only exception to that is his performance against Bruno second time around, but that's purely because someone like Bruno is perfectly suited to Tyson. Enormous, slow guy who is easy to hit and has a questionable chin and dodgy stamina - perfect.

As I said in another post, it's all ifs, buts and maybes with Tyson. He had the potential to retire unbeaten with a fortune in the bank well before the age of 30, but he blew it. And when I say he blew it, I mean HE blew it. It's no one's fault but his own.