I'd transport back to Oct 22 1926 and camp outside Harry Grebs house and convince him to put off what was supposed to be routine surgery to his nose and throat. I'd tell him that he just had the glass eye put in a month earlier and it would be best to wait. Shit I'd throw him into the time machine or pick a fight lol.
Make a certain 'Heavyweight' a Japanese Wrestler.
We need more gimmicks.
He may have had small altercations but he would have trained properly without King giving him everything he wanted. Mike Tyson knew who was responsible for his success early but King made him believe he didnt need them and they were a chain round his neck.
You cannot compare those two periods of his career. King taking Mike and Mikes career turning to shit (compared to what it was) is more than just coincidence.
I believe had Damato and Jacobs been around to steady Mike he would have had a similar longevity to Wlad now, only with the whole world wanting to see all his fights. Holyfield would have just been a good little scrap while it lasted with Tyson winning. Bowe would have been awesome and Lewis would have faced Mike instead of McCall. Potentially Mike becomes the greatest heavy ever.
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It's all ifs and buts with Mike.
The fact is, he's a fruitcake and has been in trouble his whole life, and that includes during the time he was with Cus. Even while he was in Cus' care he was constantly in trouble at school and eventually thrown out, he was also doing drugs and Teddy Atlas put a gun to his head when his wandering hands ended up on a very underage member of Teddy's family. It's really not the fairy tale people make it out to be.
The idea that Tyson would have kept himself out of trouble, lived the clean life of a dedicated athlete and reigned undefeated for a decade or more with Cus and Jacobs around is absurd. Even when he was at his peak and seemingly unbeatable, everyone who knew anything about Tyson predicted that he would self destruct and that's exactly what he did.
I'm a Tyson fan and he was truly outstanding at his best, but let's not let our adoration cloud our judgement. The man has dumped on every person who has ever been around him and pulled some unbelievably bad shit in his time. He's a pretty unpleasant individual with a long history of very serious criminal behaviour, violence towards women and is incredibly unpredictable and volatile. If he wasn't such a good fighter no one would give him the time of day.
I think Tyson would have gone on a bit longer but he would have eventually got beat.
I think Holyfield would have taken a lot out of him, as Evander did with Bowe, and if Tyson did win the first fight if he had beaten Douglas, the fight would have been such an epic that they would have demanded a 2nd and 3rd fight which I could see Holyfield eventually winning.
Then there would be the new generation of Bowe and Lennox who at their best were top fighters. An older and aging Tyson would have eventually lost to them i think.
Tyson was showing decline in the Bruno fight.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
If Tyson still had Cus and Jacobs would he have even wasted time fighting the likes of Douglas?
They were an exceptional team and what they would have had back then is akin to Mayweather today. It would have all been big fights, big names, no risks for little reward. The Foreman fight would have happened, Holyfield, Bowe...
This is where we disagree. I'm sure you heard the story of Lennox & Mike as kids watching fights one night- and both being told- they would fight each other- from Cus
With that being said- I am under the impression there were certain fighters Cus wouldn't have pitted him against. Forman being one, Lennox the other. The size factor -reach and style of the Lennox's, Formans and maybe even Bowe- would have been the last fights Cus' would have made for him from the tapes I've heard of Cus---even relating it a bit to the previous peekaboo dude Floyd P.
Cus knew the limitations of his fighters.
All's lost! Everything's going to shit!
I disagree with you about Tyson avoiding a certain style or height because he went in with big, tall fighters like Biggs and Tucker and beat them with ease.
The sparring with Lennox was Tyson winning the first day and Lennox handling Tyson the second time but Lennox was slightly older and maturer.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
What if Johnson never got up off a Ketchel right hand. No great white hope, does he even keep a fluke heavyweight championship.
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Last edited by Spicoli; 08-21-2015 at 01:02 AM.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
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