Jabbing Mistakes.

[greynotsoold]

Lifting the elbow. Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

[Touch of sleep]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

[Andre]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?

[Andre]

Another no no is leaving it out there. Unless in the rare case you are good enough to use it while its out there; turn that arm to face and block a counter you've called into play and then counter that. Or you have the aerial arm out there if they move or try to slip it,lower yourself behind it for disruption and search for them with it for cover or re gauging distance. Always some moment in time if you are switched on where you can bend any rules into advantage.

[Touch of sleep]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?

Understand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction

[boyla]

Not really relevant, but not moving feet.
Most mistakes with the jab is trying to make it a power punch, or being square on.
Always remember the jab is a set-up punch it is neither heavier punch or leaves you off-balance.
Do not forget a feint is as good as a punch, so no need to punch all the time. Less action is better.
My best jab involve moving my front foot and I expend very little energy, I am never off balance and ready to throw a straight right, or if advanced a left hook off the jab as long as you move the front foot outside the opponents lead leg.
Common mistakes are trying to throw a fast punch, when you can throw a powerful punch.
Always trying to do double, triple jabs with the last punch being the most powerful, if you can not throw a triple jab without being off-balance or the last punch being powerful you are not boxing and need more practice.
Best advice is the jab is not a knock out punch so do not treat it as such

[Andre]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?

Understand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction

Understand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.
Your future is in your hands here.

[IamInuit]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?

Understand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction

Understand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.
Your future is in your hands here.

Lol

Look Charley, its best to keep a ClosedGuard while Harry potter is in a full Sprint or you could experience a Touch of sleep.

[jms]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?

Understand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction

Understand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.
Your future is in your hands here.

Didn't see this before making my post. It's sad how obvious it is every time this guy does this, and how much time he's spent doing it.

[Scrap]

Greys got it spot on. If using full extension and shoulder touching chin, plus in balance, thats it. By leaning onto the front foot to get more distance, you dont the head goes forward with the punch. Leaving you open to counters, of balance with your chin nearer his fist.

[Andre]

Lifting the elbow.

Leaning forward. Letting the weight ride up on the front foot. Pushing off the front foot.
When you step with the jab...the front foot hitting the floor before the fist hits the target. Not moving both feet.
Not turning your shoulder into the punch. Not turning the punch over. Short arming the punch, not driving the arm all the way out.

go to a pub and play a simple game of darts.

Yeah but dart players dont have to worry about openings on over commitment or recovery to balance or need to counter anything, some keep their arm out after the movement too and the rear leg balances them.Just wondering if you are talking about aim concerning them if not then what part; full extension?

Understand the elasticity of a rubber band and its retraction

Understand Im a mod and can see all five of your other user names and prior history which adds up to exact reason you choose answer this way.
Your future is in your hands here.

Didn't see this before making my post. It's sad how obvious it is every time this guy does this, and how much time he's spent doing it.

Ha. You must be the same as me mate ,come in and read from the latest post upwards,I think we all do at times. That same issue starting me thinking a few arguments probably occur inside on the deeper boards that have longer threads when people do exactly that and get a hold of the wrong end of the stick from the start.

[greynotsoold]

A lot of fighters do things in a less than optimum way. I wonder if, when he was young and had good legs, Moore felt the same way? Terry Norris, when he lost some of his legs, got real front foot heavy.

[Yuzo]

A lot of fighters do things in a less than optimum way. I wonder if, when he was young and had good legs, Moore felt the same way? Terry Norris, when he lost some of his legs, got real front foot heavy.

archie moore vs rocky marciano is a really interesting fight. moore is leaning in to marciano with body weight over his front foot and marciano is leaning away from moore with body weight over his back foot. to hit moore, marciano must shorten his punches thereby creating a lot of space for moore to use escapology and pull back and away to safety, and to hit marciano, moore must over extend his punches to overcompensate for the extra space that marciano is creating by leaning away. this makes sense to me and i dont think moore is any wronger than marciano or marciano any wronger than moore.

floyd mayweather is very front foot heavy when he jabs. but he is hard to counter when he jabs because by having body weight over his front foot he can always push off of it, thereby stepping away and moving out of range from punches at any time. that is to say that because when mayweather throws a jab it is from his front foot, he can push off of it at any time, stepping away from any counter even when a jab is just half way out. he can always choose to push off of his front foot and to move out of range, stepping away from your counter.

i think this is why fighters jab from the front foot. i think this is why archie moore threw jabs from the front foot and it is something that is congruous with his greater philosophy of escapology in general. that is to say that it would not make sense for a fighter like moore to jab pushing off of his back foot the way it makes sense for a fighter like rocky marciano to. moore is different, but i dont think that being different means that he is wrong.

[greynotsoold]

I haven't seen Moore v Marciano in ages but, from what you describe, I can see what he is trying to do. And you are spot on when you say that it is easier to anticipate and counter when you make him throw the punch you want. Personally I think you can do the same thing by stepping with the left foot only as you jab, then stepping back. But Moore was in the ring and I would never dare to question his tactics. Do you know if he fought Durelle, or anybody else, that way?
One of my closest friends has sparred many rounds with Mayweather and we have talked about this often. He rock's up on the jab, which stops the guy over there, you know? Then he rock's back to his right foot, creating distance and leaving him ready to land the right when you try to close. My thought is that you need to time his jab with your own, his rock forward with a push off. You land a jarring punch or you close on him as he rock's back; as you slip his jab you take your head away from his right and control his left shoulder.
My friend pointed out that,1, Floyd plots each move well in advance,2, when you do outsmart him he is very fast and elusive and,3, it is very difficult to fool him the same way twice.
You are dead right when you say that there is more than one way to do things. Ultimately the 'right' way is the one that works. When you are teaching it to somebody starting out, you teach to an ideal. As the boxer gains experience he developed ways of doing things based on his strengths and weaknesses. As his trainer you have to observe this, keep working on weaknesses so they don't become limitations, and help him learn his style.
I don't feel comfortable, in many situations, working with an experienced fighter until I see him in the ring. Then I can get a feel for what he is trying to do And how he is looking to do it. Then I can tighten his footwork, work on his right hand, or, most important, talk strategy.
If that makes sense.

[Scrap]

I haven't seen Moore v Marciano in ages but, from what you describe, I can see what he is trying to do. And you are spot on when you say that it is easier to anticipate and counter when you make him throw the punch you want. Personally I think you can do the same thing by stepping with the left foot only as you jab, then stepping back. But Moore was in the ring and I would never dare to question his tactics. Do you know if he fought Durelle, or anybody else, that way?
One of my closest friends has sparred many rounds with Mayweather and we have talked about this often. He rock's up on the jab, which stops the guy over there, you know? Then he rock's back to his right foot, creating distance and leaving him ready to land the right when you try to close. My thought is that you need to time his jab with your own, his rock forward with a push off. You land a jarring punch or you close on him as he rock's back; as you slip his jab you take your head away from his right and control his left shoulder.Spot on very well put.
My friend pointed out that,1, Floyd plots each move well in advance,2, when you do outsmart him he is very fast and elusive and,3, it is very difficult to fool him the same way twice.
You are dead right when you say that there is more than one way to do things. Ultimately the 'right' way is the one that works. When you are teaching it to somebody starting out, you teach to an ideal. As the boxer gains experience he developed ways of doing things based on his strengths and weaknesses. As his trainer you have to observe this, keep working on weaknesses so they don't become limitations, and help him learn his style.
I don't feel comfortable, in many situations, working with an experienced fighter until I see him in the ring. Then I can get a feel for what he is trying to do And how he is looking to do it. Then I can tighten his footwork, work on his right hand, or, most important, talk strategy.
If that makes sense.

Spot on, Greys.