Scientific Fraud

[El Kabong]

I admit it is too hard to take that video seriously. Again when African-Americans are defended by Conservatives: they are defending Blacks right to be conservative & that's it.

And Mr. Coyne the "balogney" Maloney is yet another Reaganite. Only I laugh at his desire to be the right's anecdote to Michael Moor. Be better than that. Colleges are fucking up big time nationwide- especially their tuition. Maybe he states it- & I didn't watch it, but from what I've seen his point is about the "liberal" establishment denying free speech to Right Wing thinkers, not exposing the "many" fucked up things with colleges today. He mentions just (one). I agree with it, but it should come from someone who has no ties to either party/ideology.

Well it is a very long documentary I do admit, but to hit out at the messenger rather than taking an actual look at his message is missing the point.

Conservatives in THIS case are acting like the dictionary definition of what a Liberal is (open minded, valuing everyone as equals, etc). They are pushing for freedom of individual expression, individual rights and Universities are being "progressive" which is American code for Marxist, Communist, Authoritarian.

Let me point this out to you, Bill Maher was banned from speaking at UC Berkley AND he was called a "blatant bigot" and "racist" for his views on Islam (because, obviously Islam is a race ) ....now I don't agree with Bill Maher, in fact I vehemently disagree with him OFTEN, but as an American I feel he should speak as there are others who have spoken at colleges who offer much more troubling views than anything Bill Maher for example Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was allowed to speak at Columbia University...who offered up a larger threat? Who held more ridiculous views?
https://www.change.org/p/university-...ber-graduation

You're looking at this as though Maloney just set out to sell this as though only Republicans are suppressed on college campuses...that is simply not the case. Maloney was raised by not just Democrats but hardcore involved Democrats, and when he was in college the idea and acceptance of "The United States deserving 9/11" was what set him against that way of thinking.

I was apolitical in college, but that too is unacceptable if you don't agree with the OPINIONS of the Professors it can not only harm your grades but your very future!

Universities are centers of indoctrination these days, to be oblivious to that is dangerous. I was taught in school about the MS St. Louis which in 1939 had 937 refugees seeking asylum from the Nazis, I was taught that "America denied them entry." just like that, period, end of story......but my curiosity got the best of me so I asked the professor who was caught quite off guard "Sea travel in that era was long and at times treacherous due to U-boats, so did the refugees of MS St. Louis ONLY try to gain entry to America, or did they try other nations? Because if I was on that ship, I would have gone anywhere but back to Germany." and only after a very plain common sense question, the rest of the story was torturously pulled from the mouth of that professor...."Yes, yes they did try other countries." There is a great disservice and danger to telling half truths, and yes I do believe my professor at that time was attempting to get the classroom in a "blame America first" mindset which is the default setting for establishment academics....just look at Noam Chomsky, rabid anti-American and says education is for the indoctrination of children.....not for opening the mind, not for teaching students to question, not for teaching students to think for themselves, but for INDOCTRINATION....and who are the professors? MARXISTS and COMMUNISTS!

The speech codes at these universities are to keep students in line, they are to comply or else. In that video you had a Kuwaiti refugee saying that the United States involvement in the Persian Gulf War saved his life and the lives of his families....he was told that this view was unacceptable and bigoted....that is how bat shit crazy colleges have become.

[SlimTrae]

but to hit out at the messenger rather than taking an actual look at his message is missing the point.

The messenger in this case- is the one who put the message together- its his docu- so he's not passing along something someone else put together. I'm simply acknowledging (his) history of exposing- Now that doesn't make it false as I stated I agree with his message. Just not coming from someone who hasn't found issues in capitalism or conservatism, strictly liberalism- which to the right; is a code word for Marxism and socialism. Find a conservative that is exposing something & I guarantee it's not in their own camp. Find a Conservative defending an African-American- and it's about their right to think as a Conservative and nothing more.

This docu starts off with African-American speaking & they are getting dogged on those campuses, correct? 1st dude couldn't even talk-because he was interrupted outright .

Blacks couldn't accept this dude as a Conservative-so the documentary does an excellent job of him being called an Uncle Tom, the woman an Aunt Tom or Thomastina?


Universities are centers of indoctrination these days, to be oblivious to that is dangerous.

I agree- But many have pointed it out back in the late 1800s. Conservative thinkers or whites in general found no problem with the indoctrination in these so-called centers of higher learning teaching that Africa-Americans had never produced a civilization that didn't falter. Rather than picket or protest like Maloney-- great minds established Spelman & Morehouse colleges to (properly) educate this demographic in Education & theology.

Now that the demographic representing an ideology called conservatism is being denied the right to speak their minds---well NOW these institutions are indoctrinating.

[SlimTrae]

In that video you had a Kuwaiti refugee saying that the United States involvement in the Persian Gulf War saved his life and the lives of his families.

Individual stories can blur the line- for every life saved- there is one that was lost. - That (one) person, thankful for his family didn't consider how many families died as result- and this video made sure it wouldn't point it out.


I don't know the circumstances of why the Kuwaiti refugee was called bigoted- But I do know why his own people would've had a problem with him being thankful: he was looking at himself and not the whole of his country that DIDN'T benefit from the Persian Gulf War


It would be just for colleges & Universities to explore both sides and not one for the other.
Then discuss it. (IT) As how the war gave refugees like him a chance. Then discuss how the war also caused an untold number of little girls to get caught up in a world wide prostitution market. No one has those numbers of the possibly tens of thousands of 5 years old and UP- that were taken from their homeland by evil men looking to profit on a porous border that was left alone- in order to protect oil fields for global corporations that placed Iraq in PSA Agreements aka Production Sharing Agreements.

I reiterate- these campuses also need to be held accountable for the outrageous tuitions. That topic is so not-partisan. It doesn't bash conservatives, liberals- it bashes the money baron profiting on our institutions of so-called higher learning. Too bad in all of his documentaries he doesn't see the need to expose that. He'd be called objective by me if he did.

[El Kabong]

Just not coming from someone who hasn't found issues in capitalism or conservatism, strictly liberalism- which to the right; is a code word for Marxism and socialism. Find a conservative that is exposing something & I guarantee it's not in their own camp. Find a Conservative defending an African-American- and it's about their right to think as a Conservative and nothing more.

But this is the point, these universities are not liberal in the dictionary definition of the term, they are quite ILLIBERAL as a matter of fact. The Universities have quashed debate...that's not what universities are for!

AEI is "center-right" whatever that would mean to you, but Christina Hoff Sommers is a 2nd wave Feminist and even SHE finds this babying of college students (and professors) insane!

Rather than picket or protest like Maloney-- great minds established Spelman & Morehouse colleges to (properly) educate this demographic in Education & theology.

Now that the demographic representing an ideology called conservatism is being denied the right to speak their minds---well NOW these institutions are indoctrinating.

William Jefferson White founder of Morehouse College was a Republican. Sophia B. Packard & Harriet E. Giles who founded Spelman....were Republicans.

Those who seek to implement some sort of rigid class system are "progressives"...Democrats, the "liberals" or so they like to be called....but if they were in fact liberal then they would not focus so much on taking offense as they would on attempting to understand other points of view or simply allowing others to have different views.

the whole of his country that DIDN'T benefit from the Persian Gulf War

So Kuwait didn't benefit from the United States driving Saddam's armies out of Kuwait and away from their oil fields?

I'm not offended by that view which is different than my own, I am questioning it....and that is the difference between myself, who is open and willing to engage in debate rather than silence it like so many so called establishments of higher learning.

[El Kabong]

Here you go perhaps this will help you understand more of what I am talking about. FIRE stands for Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and was established by: Alan Charles Kors and Harvey A. Silverglate. Kors is a Libertarian and Silverglate was a member of the ACLU.

The ACLU.....not really a "conservative" group

[El Kabong]

And again

[El Kabong]

One of the founders of FIRE .....hardly a "conservative"

[SlimTrae]

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Here you go perhaps this will help you understand more of what I am talking about. FIRE stands for Foundation for Individual Rights in Education and was established by: Alan Charles Kors and Harvey A. Silverglate. Kors is a Libertarian and Silverglate was a member of the ACLU.

The ACLU.....not really a "conservative" group[/QUOTE]

I appreciate your links, but again we will have to agree to disagree. I completely understand. Hopefully you don't equate my disagreeing with you as not understanding and equating agreement with understanding: I understand and disagree that these links present (both) sides of the issue.

Again- If someone other than Maloney presented these (facts) I could see it as non-partisan documentary.

As far as the ACLU- I have never met a conservative who liked them. They are the antithesis of Conservatism. Accept for the time Rush Limbaugh used them

[El Kabong]

Ok, perhaps you're missing the point I am making due to the semantics of terms I am using like "Conservative" and "Liberal".


What is happening on college campuses maybe best described not in terms of political leanings left vs right or liberal vs conservative, but more in terms of a power struggle. Gaining control of the power on these college campuses was done in the 1960's and 1970's when STUDENTS were protesting the Vietnam War and Civil Rights, valid causes to protest, and those students wanted the right to speak freely, to question authorities which were sending them off to war or telling certain people they cannot eat here or sleep there or date a person of the opposing race, and rightfully so. But when those students graduated and then gained positions of prominence in the universities as Graduate Assistants, Professors, Tenured Professors, Administrators, Deans, Alumni etc....they then used their power to silence dissent and even keep students from THINKING differently.

The suppressing of free speech and the suppression of "bad thoughts" is Authoritarian and it's the exact opposite of what should be happening on college campuses. These young adults need to think, they need to question, they need to have those freedoms to exercise their minds. Stopping debate altogether is what has happened and there are many many many MANY examples of how and why groupthink is a horrible thing.

[El Kabong]

As far as the ACLU- I have never met a conservative who liked them. They are the antithesis of Conservatism. Accept for the time Rush Limbaugh used them

Jesse Helms.....was a card carrying member of the ACLU

[SlimTrae]

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But this is the point, these universities are not liberal in the dictionary definition of the term, they are quite ILLIBERAL as a matter of fact. The Universities have quashed debate...that's not what universities are for!

Using the word liberal doesn't change the fact that Maloney only addresses issues with those who call themselves liberals. Whether they define the word with their actions or not, they are still the source of his attacks or what he sees wrong with the colleges of today. I agree, but expanded it to tuition being messed up also. He's silent on that- or anything that doesn't point toward a Democratic voter be they liberal by definition or not. & When you say the university quashed the debates that's not what they are there for. I mentioned that. Only AFTER Conservatives have taken complaint. Universities have long indoctrinated the masses- it is being questioned today- by the demographic feeling the heat.


AEI is "center-right" whatever that would mean to you, but Christina Hoff Sommers is a 2nd wave Feminist and even SHE finds this babying of college students (and professors) insane!


I don't subscribe to labels. I deal with the actions of people. Center right, Liberal, Conservative, Marxist, Socialist see that I is what I am against. Defining with a label sometimes allow people to ignore those subjected to it- because the label given has a negative connotation. I can now say- yeah, whatever that came from a liberal/conservative source-as if they can't produced truth from time to time. Unfortunately I see one group of people today constantly labeling others: Conservative thinkers.

Rather than picket or protest like Maloney-- great minds established Spelman & Morehouse colleges to (properly) educate this demographic in Education & theology.

Now that the demographic representing an ideology called conservatism is being denied the right to speak their minds---well NOW these institutions are indoctrinating.

William Jefferson White founder of Morehouse College was a Republican. Sophia B. Packard & Harriet E. Giles who founded Spelman....were Republicans.


That is correct. As I've written in my book- Blacks were Republicans for 100 years: my star character is one. From Douglas to King Jr. But today we are not. What happened that Conservatives point out what we (used) to be and not why we are no longer that? Something called Jim Crow Laws for one and the many-many Dixie-crats who were so against blacks voting- that what did these racist Democrats do? They changed parties, my man. Please address my point of bringing him up- he knew he had no power in tears, crying or picketing the institutions in question. He built his own institution of higher learning. Others followed suit.

Those who seek to implement some sort of rigid class system are "progressives"...Democrats, the "liberals" or so they like to be called....but if they were in fact liberal then they would not focus so much on taking offense as they would on attempting to understand other points of view or simply allowing others to have different views.

I agree. It is too bad that so many people who are teachers, professors are not conservatives. They should have raised more of their children to think about teaching, but as a result the colleges are imbalanced with Democratic voters be they liberal or progressive more of them chose to teach.

[SlimTrae]

the whole of his country that DIDN'T benefit from the Persian Gulf War

So Kuwait didn't benefit from the United States driving Saddam's armies out of Kuwait and away from their oil fields?

IMO this is an imbalanced question. I gave a specific example. 1st I agreed with the one who claimed the war benefited his family, please acknowledge that I did. Then I stated there are (2) sides. Those who benefited and an example of those who didn't (thousands of girls) exploited- would you like links to prove it? And as you stated Kuwait benefited I agree again- while Saddam was left in power to continue fucking over the Iraqis. Why did Kuwait deserve liberating from Saddam and not Iraq? Why not address that when this all went down- the Intifada began- the rebellion against Saddam (internally)- only for General Norman Schwarzkopf to give back flying rights to Saddam- And he murdered the shit out of his own people- see the documentary called Hindyia Road- as this documentary linked here refuses to point it out. It gives 1 side.
So yes sir. Kuwait benefited, but Iraq didn't. My point made again- conservatives tend to view a single side of an issue.

I'm not offended by that view which is different than my own, I am questioning it....and that is the difference between myself, who is open and willing to engage in debate rather than silence it like so many so called establishments of higher learning.[/QUOTE]

It is good to debate it, so as long as it is being debated objectively. Stating liberals aren't really liberals- their Marxists, socialists IMO is not discussing; its insulting one side-even if there is truth in it. Lets say they are. So what are Conservatives and capitalists that the Republican voter cant find fault in any way or form? Maloney sees no fault of Republicans in how so few of them chose to teach. They are outnumbered. That's their fault for being the few professors standing up to the many So-called socialist professors who vote Democrat. That is the difference between myself and the conservative. I see shit fucked up with liberals and conservatives-mostly that they only see one side: their side.