Groves's Loss. What does it do to Froch's "Legacy"?

[powerpuncher]

So George Groves has lost another World title fight, this time he was expected to win. I like Groves, but I'm not one of these guys that is blind to the facts (Ross)
But the point of this thread is about Froch. He's built this legacy thing on the Bute & Kessler win and the Groves fights.
Well Bute has done nothing since to prove he was anything, Kessler has done nothing to prove he wasn't finished, and now Groves has so far only proved he is European level.
Of course, Froch and his fans will say that they've all Been "Cobra'd", but personally I don't buy that .
IMO, Froch's legacy is that he was a decent World Champion without ever being the no.1 in the division, he had a granite chin , which he needed as his skiilset wasn't good enough, and as Gary Player would say he worked hard and earned himself a lot of luck.
Good but not great ! I'm sure some people will see it differently.

Problem is no-one has said that Froch was the greatest or even an all time great. So there is no throne to knock him off. Even Froch himself says that he was not the most talented of fighters.

As for Groves loss to Jack ? I think it's more that people under-rated Jack, than over-rated Groves.

Groves is still decent fighter but of course 3 world title shots in two years, all losses, means he has to go the very back of cue and he has some serious rebuilding to do.

But there are still good fights for him. The winner of the Rocky Fielding Vs Callum Smith would be a good one for starts and even a return with Degale would be good (I thought Degale won the first) but it was very close.

Jack is underrated because he's black

[denilson200]

So George Groves has lost another World title fight, this time he was expected to win. I like Groves, but I'm not one of these guys that is blind to the facts (Ross)
But the point of this thread is about Froch. He's built this legacy thing on the Bute & Kessler win and the Groves fights.
Well Bute has done nothing since to prove he was anything, Kessler has done nothing to prove he wasn't finished, and now Groves has so far only proved he is European level.
Of course, Froch and his fans will say that they've all Been "Cobra'd", but personally I don't buy that .
IMO, Froch's legacy is that he was a decent World Champion without ever being the no.1 in the division, he had a granite chin , which he needed as his skiilset wasn't good enough, and as Gary Player would say he worked hard and earned himself a lot of luck.
Good but not great ! I'm sure some people will see it differently.

Problem is no-one has said that Froch was the greatest or even an all time great. So there is no throne to knock him off. Even Froch himself says that he was not the most talented of fighters.

As for Groves loss to Jack ? I think it's more that people under-rated Jack, than over-rated Groves.

Groves is still decent fighter but of course 3 world title shots in two years, all losses, means he has to go the very back of cue and he has some serious rebuilding to do.

But there are still good fights for him. The winner of the Rocky Fielding Vs Callum Smith would be a good one for starts and even a return with Degale would be good (I thought Degale won the first) but it was very close.

Jack is underrated because he's black

And Groves over-rated because he white? Yes ?

You brought up race. Not me. I did not mention anything to do with race. You brought it up.