This Is White Privilege

[El Kabong]

I just did give you specific examples of racism.

All white people benefit from racism.

Why ? Because you can't have a down without an up. If someone is getting the door slammed in there face, then others must be getting a pass. anyone who argues that white privilege does not exist must also argue that racism does not exist.

These benefits for whites can be

Material (such as greater opportunity in the labour market, or greater net worth, due to a history in which whites had the ability to accumulate wealth to a greater extent than persons of color)

Social (such as presumptions of competence, creditworthiness, law-abidingness, intelligence, etc.)

Psychological (such as not having to worry about triggering negative stereotypes, rarely having to feel out of place, not having to worry about racial profiling.)

If blk people are the targets of discrimination, in housing, employment, the justice system, or elsewhere, then whites, by definition, are being elevated above those persons of color.

The fact that white privilege exists and that all whites have access to various aspects of it, does not, however, mean that all whites are wealthy, or that in competitions for jobs and other opportunities, whites will always win.

But on balance, whites have a head start

If you say so

You're not white, you can never be white, but you know 100% that every last damn white person there is "benefits from racism"....Certainly you wouldn't allow me to make such a broad sweeping statement about black people seeing how I'm not black and I don't live or experience firsthand the everyday lives of black people....but of course you're right you know, you're black, you cannot be told that you are wrong, least of all by me....because what do I know?


Material - Having a job is a help, lots of young blacks don't have jobs, but then again I can't venture to guess why they wouldn't because such a guess would be racist of course. Learning or being taught to save money is a help, I was taught by my Mom & Dad to save...2 parent household, so obviously there's another white privilege so I can't tell you to learn to save or try to teach you because it would be racist to attempt to intervene in the life of a black man in that manner.

Social - it's....against....the.....law......to....do...... that

Psychological - Offense is never given it is taken....so you "being triggered"....that's a YOU problem, not a ME problem. It's very easy to decide to be a victim......and that's why being a victim isn't something to be celebrated.


What do you owe "whites' head start" to? Slavery? The Tribal nature of Africa before colonization? I am actually curious to get the answer to that question.

[brocktonblockbust]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

[El Kabong]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

And if that was true for blacks then maybe you'd be right, but for that to be true slavery would have had to last a lot longer than it did.....sooooo try again I guess

[brocktonblockbust]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

And if that was true for blacks then maybe you'd be right, but for that to be true slavery would have had to last a lot longer than it did.....sooooo try again I guess

what do you mean "if that were true for blacks"? Are you disputing that for maybe, OH, 10 GENERATIONS OR SO FROM LIKE 1500 TO 1865, that blacks were killed for learning to read and write and were paid zero wages? I dont get your point.

[El Kabong]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

And if that was true for blacks then maybe you'd be right, but for that to be true slavery would have had to last a lot longer than it did.....sooooo try again I guess

what do you mean "if that were true for blacks"? Are you disputing that for maybe, OH, 10 GENERATIONS OR SO FROM LIKE 1500 TO 1865, that blacks were killed for learning to read and write and were paid zero wages? I dont get your point.

"All the way up to your generation" .......I wasn't born in 1865 Brockton...also who sold blacks into slavery to begin with

I'll take what are "Other black people?" for $2000 Alex!


You can blame only so much on slavery, only so much on segregation, fucking hell there are people wanting segregation right now and they aren't "White Supremacists" either...they're "progressives".

[brocktonblockbust]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

And if that was true for blacks then maybe you'd be right, but for that to be true slavery would have had to last a lot longer than it did.....sooooo try again I guess

what do you mean "if that were true for blacks"? Are you disputing that for maybe, OH, 10 GENERATIONS OR SO FROM LIKE 1500 TO 1865, that blacks were killed for learning to read and write and were paid zero wages? I dont get your point.

"All the way up to your generation" .......I wasn't born in 1865 Brockton...also who sold blacks into slavery to begin with

I'll take what are "Other black people?" for $2000 Alex!


You can blame only so much on slavery, only so much on segregation, fucking hell there are people wanting segregation right now and they aren't "White Supremacists" either...they're "progressives".

Lyle are you trying to say that in 1865 blacks were really free.? If so, You know that's wrong. Just because slavery was outlawed in 1865 doesn't mean blacks the very next day were totally free and on an equal footing with whites. How many years after 1865 would it take for blacks to try to get a general education and then to be able to be hired at companies by white people do you think?

Lyle are you saying that if a drug addict tried to sell you an immoral or illegal product that it would be okay for you to buy it? It takes two to tango.

White people made the purchase even if there were some corrupt black tribal leaders who set up the sale for them

Hardly excuses whites, does it.?

[El Kabong]

Lyle are you trying to say that in 1865 blacks were really free.? If so, You know that's wrong. Just because slavery was outlawed in 1865 doesn't mean blacks the very next day were totally free and on an equal footing with whites. How many years after 1865 would it take for blacks to try to get a general education and then to be able to be hired at companies by white people do you think?

Lyle are you saying that if a drug addict tried to sell you an immoral or illegal product that it would be okay for you to buy it? It takes two to tango.

White people made the purchase even if there were some corrupt black tribal leaders who set up the sale for them

Hardly excuses whites, does it.?

It took until my generation obviously because that's what you said. Which means the 1980's......so you're telling me before the 1980's blacks were still if not slaves then segregated and if not segregated then prejudiced against and if not prejudiced against at a disadvantage and if not at a disadvantage psychologically, emotionally scarred from accomplishing anything.


Depends on who is saying it's illegal or immoral


A black man (freed indentured servant....like a lot of the ancestors of white people) owned the first slave in colonial America. Antonio "Anthony" Johnson and he had 5 indentured servants of his own, 4 white, and 1 black, and the 1 black, John Casor, is who the court said Mr. Johnson owned outright seeing how he was an indentured servant who filed suit to try and attain his freedom.


Hahaha "some corrupt black tribal leaders"......Brockton you rube back in the day there was no such thing as "Prisoners of War" in the way we think of them....you either won the battle, died on the field, or were beaten, captured and either made a slave or assimilated into the other tribe....."some corrupt leaders".....dude that's how ALL tribes work, that's how Native Americans did shit, that's how Aztecs did shit, that's how the Arabs and Persians and everyone else worked.

[Gandalf]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

That sums up capitalism. Get in there first, build something up through exploitation, then later on use your connections to funnel free money and advantages from the government whilst everyone else flounders. Rather than have slaves of a specific race you instead have slaves of every type imaginable and billions of 'em!

[brocktonblockbust]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

That sums up capitalism. Get in there first, build something up through exploitation, then later on use your connections to funnel free money and advantages from the government whilst everyone else flounders. Rather than have slaves of a specific race you instead have slaves of every type imaginable and billions of 'em!

@El Kabong acts like he doesn't understand that @Gandalf

[walrus]

I was just in Waterbury CT a tough city. Had to go to a very bad section to pick up supplies for a home improvement project I'm doing. On the way out I was approached by two African Americans who I guess could be perceived as thugs. They asked me for a cigarette. I then had a twenty minute conversation with them about the debate last night. They wanted to know what I thought of the black lives matter question. Two decent guys, I wish @denilson200 could realize events like this are everyday in America. It's such a shame the way he views us whites on a whole

[El Kabong]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

That sums up capitalism. Get in there first, build something up through exploitation, then later on use your connections to funnel free money and advantages from the government whilst everyone else flounders. Rather than have slaves of a specific race you instead have slaves of every type imaginable and billions of 'em!

@El Kabong acts like he doesn't understand that @Gandalf

Brockton, what is miles saying we replace Capitalism with? What are YOU saying we replace Capitalism with?



Hmmmm??




Yeah, so I'll take Capitalism

[brocktonblockbust]

"If your great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparents all the way up to YOUR generation had earned ZERO WAGES and ZERO EDUCATION, wouldnt that give your oppressors a head start?"

Mehhhhh, yeah just maybe a COUPLE OF HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS OF A HEAD START.

That sums up capitalism. Get in there first, build something up through exploitation, then later on use your connections to funnel free money and advantages from the government whilst everyone else flounders. Rather than have slaves of a specific race you instead have slaves of every type imaginable and billions of 'em!

@El Kabong acts like he doesn't understand that @Gandalf

Brockton, what is miles saying we replace Capitalism with? What are YOU saying we replace Capitalism with?



Hmmmm??




Yeah, so I'll take Capitalism

Lyle you nutter, it doesnt necessarily mean it needs total 100% replacing. Things can be imprioved. Its not all or nothing all the time you know. There are shades of adjustments to be made a.s.a.p.

[El Kabong]

Lyle you nutter, it doesnt necessarily mean it needs total 100% replacing. Things can be imprioved. Its not all or nothing all the time you know. There are shades of adjustments to be made a.s.a.p.

Well then Brockton......don't bitch about the WHOLE of Capitalism when "there are shades of adjustments to be made" ok? Because you're trying really hard to throw the baby out with the bathwater here with your rhetoric.

[brocktonblockbust]

Now lyle you can choose to deny that there are psychological and physical damages from something as wicked and despicable as slavery and not only slavery ---- because you will choose to focus on that one particular point but also the lasting effects of it and even after slavery was abolished blacks were treated like absolute dog shit for another 100 years ----Now you can deny this all you want. please keep continuing to deny it. it doesn't make you look very good.

Since it wasn't your ass out there getting whipped working for free on a plantation for 400 years it's really easy for you to say that they should have gotten over this by now isn't it.

How many generations do you think it will take after slavery was abolished in order for the freed slaves to even begin to remotely try to get their heads around how to make themselves into first class educated well mannered and well spoken people. Do you seriously think one or two generations is sufficient to recover from an absolute total lack of education, complete lack of self esteem and self respect and inability to know how to advance in a society and to work together suddenly with white people who have been whipping your ass for 400 years and bad habits and strange expectations based on having been a slave.?

[El Kabong]

I wasn't just focusing on slavery. We have two different points going on at the same time. Criticism of capitalism and also if blacks have been dealt such a destructive history by whites that the playing field is still no longer level or even.

Fine, take the wheel drive this debate wherever you like....it's not like Capitalism made any blacks wealthy or anything. Oh it did It made a lot of them wealthy?!?!?! Well shit....but hey, you're the winner of this debate, I can tell you just want it so much more, let's have a do-over.

Now lyle you can choose to deny that there are psychological and physical damages from something as wicked and despicable as slavery and not only slavery ---- because you will choose to focus on that one particular point but also the lasting effects of it and even after slavery was abolished blacks were treated like absolute dog shit for another 100 years ----Now you can deny this all you want. please keep continuing to deny it. it doesn't make you look very good.

Since it wasn't your ass out there getting whipped working for free on a plantation for 400 years it's really easy for you to say that they should have gotten over this by now isn't it.

How many generations do you think it will take after slavery was abolished in order for the freed slaves to even begin to remotely try to get their heads around how to make themselves into first class educated well mannered and well spoken people. Do you seriously think one or two generations is sufficient to recover from an absolute total lack of education, complete lack of self esteem and self respect and inability to know how to advance in a society and to work together suddenly with white people who have been whipping your ass for 400 years and bad habits and strange expectations based on having been a slave.?

That hasn't stopped black people from achieving wealth has it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madam_C._J._Walker
Oh, so not even DURING the heyday of slavery did it stop Madam C.J. Walker from achieving massive amounts of wealth....guess she didn't buy into the whole "I should be a victim" concept.

No, it wasn't my ass out there getting whipped and working for free neither was it denilson's, neither was it ANY BLACK MAN ALIVE TODAY.

"How many generations do you think it will take after slavery was abolished in order for the freed slaves to even begin to remotely try to get their heads around how to make themselves into first class educated well mannered and well spoken people."

Hell if I know Brockton, I'm wondering how long must I hear about how bad slavery was, segregation, etc because it seems in hindsight that these things are getting worse and not better every day....and frankly I'm fucking tired of it. I had nothing to do with slavery, slavery happened back in the day, it happened in the US, it happened in South America, it happens in other places to this day which we aren't talking about because we're focusing on envy....class envy, race envy, victimhood, those are the focuses today...not making things better, not moving forward....I hear a lot of "Give me this" or "We want this" and why? "My ancestors did _____" ......you aren't your ancestors anymore than I am mine, I shall pay no debt because I owe no debt, my hands are clean my conscience is clean, I've not held anyone back....have you?


Get me a fucking time machine and I'll fix the shit otherwise shut up about it and deal with reality.