GGG vs Hagler/Hearns/Mugabe/McClellan/RJJ

[Violent Demise]

How does he stack up against these guys. I don't see him beating any of them. He is young and there is no reason why you cannot gain 8 pounds or even as many as 12. If he stays at 160 who will watch anymore of his fights?

He's 33. He's not old. But I wouldn't call him young either

[brocktonblockbust]

How does he stack up against these guys. I don't see him beating any of them. He is young and there is no reason why you cannot gain 8 pounds or even as many as 12. If he stays at 160 who will watch anymore of his fights?

He's 33. He's not old. But I wouldn't call him young either

he will be blown away soon. his time is over.

160 was his vacuum land.

[El Kabong]

ill be blown away soon..

Thank God

[brocktonblockbust]

ill be blown away soon..

Thank God

What's "ill"? Besides YOU of course ;-)

@Gandalf my grammar schedule is rather full right now. Can you take this remedial student for a few hours of tutoring per week?. I hear he owns a business so can probably afford $30 an hour.

[IamInuit]

Ok I'll play.

The facts have to be taken into account along with his statistics which are already just as impressive as many hof middleweights. He's defended the title 14 times since winning it with all of them ending in stoppages. That ties Monzon who barely fought a real live Middleweight his entire career and ends up on top 5 atg lists. He'd done that in just over 3 years. Not one other champion has sacked up in 4 years until David. Many of the other hof middles never had to deal with 2 belts let alone 4 majors and 10 minors. All of these other belt holders would have never gotten away with not fighting him in other eras if they were actually seriously wanting to be the best.

Monzon defended his titles (2) a total of 14 times and it took 7 years against meager opposition. He then retired. He's in the Hall.
Hagler defended his titles 12 times and it took him 7 years before he cough lost to Leonard and retired. He's in the hallowed place.
Hopkins defended his title 20 times and it took him 10 years and had he retired he would have gotten in.

How did Hagler get in based on the stats and competition against middleweights?
Which all time great middleweights did he fight?
Which grade A middles did he fight? Vito? Hamsho? Minter?

And Monzon, who did he beat at middleweight that were actually middleweights?
Which atg middleweight did he beat other than a too many times to the dance Briscoe?
Which grade A middleweights did he beat? Nino?
Have you looked at his first 60 or 70 fights? Pathetic is not an adequate metaphor.
Does he get in because of numbers?

Finally what if Hopkins retired after he got the big 3 or after he beat Oscar?
Would he have been deserving and if so based on what?
Which atg middleweight did he beat?
Which grade A middleweights did he beat?

Those three routinely make peoples top 10, a couple of them top 3 all time middleweights and yet for the most part and other then beating x-famous welters, they have not done anything more significant than he has and he has done it much quicker. Shame the old welters with name rec won’t fight him.

Roy Jones is my favourite modern fighter all time but what did he do at middleweight besides beat an early contender in Hopkins? It’s all well and good to imagine how he would have done at middleweight had he not outgrown it in a blink but the fact is he didn’t do anything really. We are talking prime here which Roy never entered until he was well into 168 so that version of Roy at 160 would likely would get ko'd. Had Roy made 160 in his prime he would have looked like Oscar against Manny. A wax figure.

Tommy was long past his prime when he went to middleweight and I honestly think that the fight would look a lot like the Hagler fight but neither him or Hagler can carry Tommy's jock on an all time list and I doubt very much that the Kazak would have agreed to drop to 154 to fight Tommy like he had previously said he'd do for Floyd.

Mugabi was fun to watch but has no business being mentioned. He'd get separated from his faculties.

The body snatcher was a little worn when he went to 160 but that would have been a tricky fight.

Hagler and him imo based on what I’ve seen would be a pickum fight. The Kazak seems to take a little time off at times and that could cost him but it could also be a matter of how the fight is going and not anything to do with gas.

I think he beats Monzon to death but would not get him to leave Argentina. The Kazak would be murdered by a mob after the fight.

I think him and Hopkins would have been a special fight. A Rembrandt.

It’s a shame that many of these guys could not have been around at the same time. The middleweight division has always been one that was dominated by a couple of gems or when there were several jewels, they were forced to wait like Moore early on before lh or never got the shot like Burley. Nobody wanted to fight them. An interesting parallel can be drawn today. Now the real champion can’t get the fights.