GGG vs Hagler/Hearns/Mugabe/McClellan/RJJ

[IamInuit]

Not going against GGG here, as I've been a fan of his myself. But do we really have to bring down the record of someone like Hagler to make a point? "Dominance of mediocrity"? Not really interested in a game of "X's opponents were better than Y's opponents".... but IMHO Hagler fought a very acceptable group of opponents at his peak.

Apparently. I'm simply pointing out the different measuring stick being used and its unfair. And if the Kazak were American, we would not even be having this conversation. And please dont take things out of context. It should be more then clear by now what I am attempting and the fact of the matter is, Haglers actual middleweight competition was no less or more mediocre the Golovkins. Thats simply a fact. They dont take sides.

[TitoFan]

Not going against GGG here, as I've been a fan of his myself. But do we really have to bring down the record of someone like Hagler to make a point? "Dominance of mediocrity"? Not really interested in a game of "X's opponents were better than Y's opponents".... but IMHO Hagler fought a very acceptable group of opponents at his peak.

Apparently. I'm simply pointing out the different measuring stick being used and its unfair. And if the Kazak were American, we would not even be having this conversation. And please dont take things out of context. It should be more then clear by now what I am attempting and the fact of the matter is, Haglers actual middleweight competition was no less or more mediocre the Golovkins. Thats simply a fact. They dont take sides.

GGG's list of opponents is inferior to Hagler's, and one should be able to point that out without getting hit with the "hater" label. I don't look at nationalities for the sake of this particular argument, so they could both hail from Mars and I'd have the same opinion. However, I'll also add two things: One... GGG has fought whoever has been available. Ducking accusations are baseless and somewhat ignorant at this point. Second... GGG hasn't finished his career. He might be 33... but he's a "not very much worn" 33, which means he's still got several good years left in him. So reaching for Hagler for the sake of comparison might be unfair at this point, but give him time and a few more opponents, and we might be having a totally different conversation.

[Dark Lord Al]

It is kind of funny the GGG haters say why doesn't he go to SMW , instead of fighting the smaller Cotto / Alvarez etc . then lord Marvin for fighting the LW Duran , WW Hearns , WW Leonard lol. double standards.

[IamInuit]

It is kind of funny the GGG haters say why doesn't he go to SMW , instead of fighting the smaller Cotto / Alvarez etc . then lord Marvin for fighting the LW Duran , WW Hearns , WW Leonard lol. double standards.

Exactly. Not sure why they can never answer the question but instead change the subject. It really does come down to the simple eye test. I have never shot down Hagler except call him silly for coming out right handed in the first couple of rounds against Leonard. I just want to know "middleweight" wise what the three I singled out did to be top 5 ATG middles that the Kazak hasn't done. And you and I both have already answered that. They just don't acknowledge it. When you see a special fighter operate, he's a special fighter period. Its not any of their fault that the middle weight could not supply other middleweight gems to have a go. Lucky for all three of them that they fought in an era where the star welters moved up to challenge themselves. Sad for the other guy that the other name middles wont fight him, there are no Tommy's around, Leonard, Griffith or Napoles that dare. The 3 of them literally ran out of middles cause it was so sparse where in this case there are some posing the part and they wont fight him. I think Hagler would have been great regardless based on what I saw and what I see now in Golovkin suggests the same. Fact still remains that pretty much every headline fight those three ever fought was against x welters most of which were nowhere near their prime. Even if they were in their prime they were still career welters. I'm not shitting on them. They were in the same boat as the Kazak so I measure them in the same way.

[TitoFan]

I'm a GGG fan, enjoy watching his fights, and am certain he'll have the signature fights down the line that will put him up there with the likes of Hagler. Like I said, his career is not over, so I hesitate to draw comparisons at this point.

[Master]

Roy Jones, McCallum and Hopkins could outbox GGG

GGG would stop Hearns

[brocktonblockbust]

Roy Jones, McCallum and Hopkins could outbox GGG

GGG would stop Hearns

Hearn s will spark jejeje the way he sparked Roberto Duran. Tommy could probably still do it but it would take him four rounds now 5 tops

[Master]

Roy Jones, McCallum and Hopkins could outbox GGG

GGG would stop Hearns

Hearn s will spark jejeje the way he sparked Roberto Duran. Tommy could probably still do it but it would take him four rounds now 5 tops

Duran was out of his weight class and league. GGG is smarter and better at the weight.

[erics44]

GGG would beat them all apart from maybe RJJ

[Master]

GGG would beat them all apart from maybe RJJ

What about B Hop, James Toney, Bodysnatcher?