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    You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

    Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?

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    Default Re: Europe is too much of a soft touch

    Do I have to tell everyone who's behind this? How about the same people who are funding Isis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    Do I have to tell everyone who's behind this? How about the same people who are funding Isis.
    North korea eh! kim wrong chong

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    hahaha i agree its soft


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

    Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?
    All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...
    Last edited by Britkid; 10-25-2015 at 04:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

    Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?
    All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year old, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! that makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...
    I think that if he, and every other president (and Congress) of my lifetime, at least, operated within the confines of the US Constitution, there would be far less authoritarianism in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

    Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?
    All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...
    #1 Not exactly who I had in mind #2 The Constitution declares what the government CANNOT do and to that point grey is correct, if the Constitution was actually followed there would be far less authoritarianism in the Legislative and Executive branches of government.


    And there are 27 Amendments to the Constitution, 26 really seeing how the 21st undoes the 18th.....if you're going to take digs at the Constitution at least take a fucking second to understand it or study it....who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting instead of just taking it for granted and assuming a lot of bullshit about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

    Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?
    All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...
    #1 Not exactly who I had in mind #2 The Constitution declares what the government CANNOT do and to that point grey is correct, if the Constitution was actually followed there would be far less authoritarianism in the Legislative and Executive branches of government.


    And there are 27 Amendments to the Constitution, 26 really seeing how the 21st undoes the 18th.....if you're going to take digs at the Constitution at least take a fucking second to understand it or study it....who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting instead of just taking it for granted and assuming a lot of bullshit about it.
    It is over 200 years old and yet including the original ten there have been only 27 amendments...

    That truly is ridiculous, Constitutions need to change with the times, or else you are stuck with an ancient Conservative system. The US once claimed leadership of the 'free' world, but as the world has opened up, its Constitution has eroded its influence, and has now in some measures been overtaken by China in both economic size and hegemony, and in due course India will overtake the US too.

    It is exactly the same arrogance that cost my Country hegemony; the refusal to change with the times, to use powers other than military to get the job done, it is so disappointing and frustrating, as the US was supposed to be different...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

    Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?
    All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...
    #1 Not exactly who I had in mind #2 The Constitution declares what the government CANNOT do and to that point grey is correct, if the Constitution was actually followed there would be far less authoritarianism in the Legislative and Executive branches of government.


    And there are 27 Amendments to the Constitution, 26 really seeing how the 21st undoes the 18th.....if you're going to take digs at the Constitution at least take a fucking second to understand it or study it....who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting instead of just taking it for granted and assuming a lot of bullshit about it.
    It is over 200 years old and yet including the original ten there have been only 27 amendments...

    That truly is ridiculous, Constitutions need to change with the times, or else you are stuck with an ancient Conservative system. The US once claimed leadership of the 'free' world, but as the world has opened up, its Constitution has eroded its influence, and has now in some measures been overtaken by China in both economic size and hegemony, and in due course India will overtake the US too.

    It is exactly the same arrogance that cost my Country hegemony; the refusal to change with the times, to use powers other than military to get the job done, it is so disappointing and frustrating, as the US was supposed to be different...
    The idea of the constitution is to limit the power of government. They found ways around that but fortunately they can't get around the amendment process. Do you think more amendments would make things better? The less it is screwed with the better. India and China will continue to grow in influence but you will see a drastically different approach which will make the US look like a brilliant place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    The idea of the constitution is to limit the power of government. They found ways around that but fortunately they can't get around the amendment process. Do you think more amendments would make things better? The less it is screwed with the better. India and China will continue to grow in influence but you will see a drastically different approach which will make the US look like a brilliant place.
    That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State. That the US executive cannot do this unlike say China, is a big disadvantage. The US has in recent years been a one trick pony, granted the trick is awesome (its military force), but still it has lost more and more kudos and the Government with its hands tied by that Constitution can do little about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    The idea of the constitution is to limit the power of government. They found ways around that but fortunately they can't get around the amendment process. Do you think more amendments would make things better? The less it is screwed with the better. India and China will continue to grow in influence but you will see a drastically different approach which will make the US look like a brilliant place.
    That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State. That the US executive cannot do this unlike say China, is a big disadvantage. The US has in recent years been a one trick pony, granted the trick is awesome (its military force), but still it has lost more and more kudos and the Government with its hands tied by that Constitution can do little about it.
    Hold on let me think about that.........hmmmm.........na, I'm right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britkid View Post
    That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State.
    Did he? And who did he show that to?

    Where is Marx's perfect Communist/Socialist utopia? Is it Cuba? Is it North Korea? Is it China? Was it the USSR? Was it Nazi Germany? Was it East Germany? Was it one of the Soviet satellite states like Romania or Bulgaria or Czechoslovakia? Is it Vietnam? Cambodia?


    I hear tell of how brilliant Marx was and how he revolutionized politics and economics and how people have tried to implement his ideas but they just go astray for one reason or another...maybe it's from Capitalist meddling, but you guys never seem to have the perfect formula. And to that end, if Communism and Socialism are such fragile little things as compared to Capitalism which can withstand the centuries and see it's poor even have access to luxuries the average commie couldn't afford....why is it seen as "more fair" or "more just" or "more perfect"? Because from where I sit....Marx's work looks like the fevered dream of an ideologue, nothing more.

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