Europe is too much of a soft touch

[El Kabong]

You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?

All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...

#1 Not exactly who I had in mind #2 The Constitution declares what the government CANNOT do and to that point grey is correct, if the Constitution was actually followed there would be far less authoritarianism in the Legislative and Executive branches of government.


And there are 27 Amendments to the Constitution, 26 really seeing how the 21st undoes the 18th.....if you're going to take digs at the Constitution at least take a fucking second to understand it or study it....who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting instead of just taking it for granted and assuming a lot of bullshit about it.

[Britkid]

You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?

All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...

#1 Not exactly who I had in mind #2 The Constitution declares what the government CANNOT do and to that point grey is correct, if the Constitution was actually followed there would be far less authoritarianism in the Legislative and Executive branches of government.


And there are 27 Amendments to the Constitution, 26 really seeing how the 21st undoes the 18th.....if you're going to take digs at the Constitution at least take a fucking second to understand it or study it....who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting instead of just taking it for granted and assuming a lot of bullshit about it.

It is over 200 years old and yet including the original ten there have been only 27 amendments...

That truly is ridiculous, Constitutions need to change with the times, or else you are stuck with an ancient Conservative system. The US once claimed leadership of the 'free' world, but as the world has opened up, its Constitution has eroded its influence, and has now in some measures been overtaken by China in both economic size and hegemony, and in due course India will overtake the US too.

It is exactly the same arrogance that cost my Country hegemony; the refusal to change with the times, to use powers other than military to get the job done, it is so disappointing and frustrating, as the US was supposed to be different...

[walrus]

You do know that authoritarian politicians can be either left or right?

Do I need to give a list of authoritarian lefties?

All politicians want to be authoritarian, it is what they signed up for. It is that Obama leads an executive that executes its authority using a Constitution written over two hundred year ago, and that has had what a mere seventeen amendments added?! That makes his job seemingly that bit more authoritarian...

#1 Not exactly who I had in mind #2 The Constitution declares what the government CANNOT do and to that point grey is correct, if the Constitution was actually followed there would be far less authoritarianism in the Legislative and Executive branches of government.


And there are 27 Amendments to the Constitution, 26 really seeing how the 21st undoes the 18th.....if you're going to take digs at the Constitution at least take a fucking second to understand it or study it....who knows, maybe you'll find it interesting instead of just taking it for granted and assuming a lot of bullshit about it.

It is over 200 years old and yet including the original ten there have been only 27 amendments...

That truly is ridiculous, Constitutions need to change with the times, or else you are stuck with an ancient Conservative system. The US once claimed leadership of the 'free' world, but as the world has opened up, its Constitution has eroded its influence, and has now in some measures been overtaken by China in both economic size and hegemony, and in due course India will overtake the US too.

It is exactly the same arrogance that cost my Country hegemony; the refusal to change with the times, to use powers other than military to get the job done, it is so disappointing and frustrating, as the US was supposed to be different...

The idea of the constitution is to limit the power of government. They found ways around that but fortunately they can't get around the amendment process. Do you think more amendments would make things better? The less it is screwed with the better. India and China will continue to grow in influence but you will see a drastically different approach which will make the US look like a brilliant place.

[Britkid]

The idea of the constitution is to limit the power of government. They found ways around that but fortunately they can't get around the amendment process. Do you think more amendments would make things better? The less it is screwed with the better. India and China will continue to grow in influence but you will see a drastically different approach which will make the US look like a brilliant place.

That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State. That the US executive cannot do this unlike say China, is a big disadvantage. The US has in recent years been a one trick pony, granted the trick is awesome (its military force), but still it has lost more and more kudos and the Government with its hands tied by that Constitution can do little about it.

[walrus]

The idea of the constitution is to limit the power of government. They found ways around that but fortunately they can't get around the amendment process. Do you think more amendments would make things better? The less it is screwed with the better. India and China will continue to grow in influence but you will see a drastically different approach which will make the US look like a brilliant place.

That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State. That the US executive cannot do this unlike say China, is a big disadvantage. The US has in recent years been a one trick pony, granted the trick is awesome (its military force), but still it has lost more and more kudos and the Government with its hands tied by that Constitution can do little about it.

Hold on let me think about that.........hmmmm.........na, I'm right.

[Britkid]

Hold on let me think about that.........hmmmm.........na, I'm right.

Hence my point that the US are making the same mistakes of past...

[walrus]

Hold on let me think about that.........hmmmm.........na, I'm right.

Hence my point that the US are making the same mistakes of past...

Yes, and China is what, seven years away from out doing the ussr in length of communist rule, but how much communism is in China. Where are the workers rights, are stocks and property being flipped, are there great divides in social classes. Is England charging money to visit Marx grave. Where is communism. Why did Marx buy a private grave in England instead of having the party provide one. What happened to the great Marx. It seems he has become a capitalist in death. Have you paid the pounds to visit his grave. How much communism is left in China, and if it didn't move away from communism in its financial sector, it probably already would have imploded. You pine about Spain, exactly how long did the commies prevail there.

[El Kabong]

That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State.

Did he? And who did he show that to?

Where is Marx's perfect Communist/Socialist utopia? Is it Cuba? Is it North Korea? Is it China? Was it the USSR? Was it Nazi Germany? Was it East Germany? Was it one of the Soviet satellite states like Romania or Bulgaria or Czechoslovakia? Is it Vietnam? Cambodia?


I hear tell of how brilliant Marx was and how he revolutionized politics and economics and how people have tried to implement his ideas but they just go astray for one reason or another...maybe it's from Capitalist meddling, but you guys never seem to have the perfect formula. And to that end, if Communism and Socialism are such fragile little things as compared to Capitalism which can withstand the centuries and see it's poor even have access to luxuries the average commie couldn't afford....why is it seen as "more fair" or "more just" or "more perfect"? Because from where I sit....Marx's work looks like the fevered dream of an ideologue, nothing more.

[Xwetie]

Brook, what you gonna do about it ?

[brocktonblockbust]

Brook, what you gonna do about it ?

I am going to ululea and jonkoping and gothenborg and and I am kicking ass and kicking out all Middle Eastern immigrants

[Britkid]

That is where the US has got it wrong. As Marx showed Capitalism needs to be controlled by the State.

Did he? And who did he show that to?

Where is Marx's perfect Communist/Socialist utopia? Is it Cuba? Is it North Korea? Is it China? Was it the USSR? Was it Nazi Germany? Was it East Germany? Was it one of the Soviet satellite states like Romania or Bulgaria or Czechoslovakia? Is it Vietnam? Cambodia?


I hear tell of how brilliant Marx was and how he revolutionized politics and economics and how people have tried to implement his ideas but they just go astray for one reason or another...maybe it's from Capitalist meddling, but you guys never seem to have the perfect formula. And to that end, if Communism and Socialism are such fragile little things as compared to Capitalism which can withstand the centuries and see it's poor even have access to luxuries the average commie couldn't afford....why is it seen as "more fair" or "more just" or "more perfect"? Because from where I sit....Marx's work looks like the fevered dream of an ideologue, nothing more.

Marx's strength is as a critique of Capitalism, I am with you over the Communist Manifesto, I do not agree with it as a whole.

As stated in the past, I think the answer is Anarcho Syndicalism for the Developed Capitalist powers. To get to that position I believe initially Socialism would be a good starting point.

[brocktonblockbust]

Marx: a Spectre is haunting Europe...... The specter of communism