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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    The only people who profit from wars is the arms industry and guess where they are based?
    In every corner of the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    Why should we give a shit about Saddam who is 8,000 miles away? If we are against terrorist then why don't we go after Israel for war crime against the people of Gaza. Jimmy Carter who has been all over the world has said Gaza is the worst he has ever seen. A UN doctor said that children by the age of 8 has lost the will to live. Now that is a true crime against humanity.
    Carter is a Jew hater, nice guy, but hates Jews.
    Why is it anyone tells the truth they're Jew haters?

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    That's often true. But after what happened to them (and to Armenians for example) I understand the knee-jerk reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    Why should we give a shit about Saddam who is 8,000 miles away? If we are against terrorist then why don't we go after Israel for war crime against the people of Gaza. Jimmy Carter who has been all over the world has said Gaza is the worst he has ever seen. A UN doctor said that children by the age of 8 has lost the will to live. Now that is a true crime against humanity.
    Carter is a Jew hater, nice guy, but hates Jews.
    Why is it anyone tells the truth they're Jew haters?
    The PLO has fucked things up just as bad as Israel. Arafat had a chance to get 90 percent of what he wanted but he caved to the radicals.

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    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

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    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mrbig1 View Post
    Why should we give a shit about Saddam who is 8,000 miles away? If we are against terrorist then why don't we go after Israel for war crime against the people of Gaza. Jimmy Carter who has been all over the world has said Gaza is the worst he has ever seen. A UN doctor said that children by the age of 8 has lost the will to live. Now that is a true crime against humanity.
    Carter is a Jew hater, nice guy, but hates Jews.
    Why is it anyone tells the truth they're Jew haters?
    The PLO has fucked things up just as bad as Israel. Arafat had a chance to get 90 percent of what he wanted but he caved to the radicals.
    This isn't true either. Even the Jewish-American US negotiating team who were mediating the talks you're talking about in the late nineties eventually put on record that Israel never actually made an offer. Israel never could and never will make an offer because if they ever let the Palestinians have the West Bank they'' be unable to keep stealing water from them. 50% of Israel's water comes from the West Bank and Israel's economy would collapse without it, water would be rationed so bad that everyone would leave etc etc.

    Here's an election advert from one of Israel's top two political parties making that point.




    Recently Israel have explicitly said they'll never allow a Palestinian state. They're not even claiming they want to make a deal anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?
    Well slim posted a link about Bloomberg reporting rapid increase in current Iraqui oil production levels. Not so much about untapped stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?
    Well slim posted a link about Bloomberg reporting rapid increase in current Iraqui oil production levels. Not so much about untapped stuff.
    That's how they can rapidly increase production levels! Because they have vast reserves of untapped oil!

    There's no other country in the world that has anything like Iraq's potential. It's very high qiuality low sulphur oil and it's literally just under the ground. In 2003 loads of Iraqis digging air raid shelters on their land before we invaded did a Jethro Clampett and struck oil on their land there's so much, but there are supergiant fields that western companies mapped out decades ago that have never been drilled. Hundreds of trillions of dollars worth. By comparison the only country in the world with more oil, Saudi, has pumped more than 50% of its oil and production has been declining for years even though they're pumping as much as they can.

    Meanwhile in the rest of the world energy companies are reduced to drilling in over 10 000 feet of seawater to tap relatively tiny amounts of oil. That stuff costs more than the current price of oil just to get it out of the ground so it's uneconomic. Iraqi oil costs a dollar a barrel to produce.

    Which explains this:

    8030286688_8681cef5b7_b.jpg
    Last edited by Kirkland Laing; 11-20-2015 at 12:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?
    Well slim posted a link about Bloomberg reporting rapid increase in current Iraqui oil production levels. Not so much about untapped stuff.
    That's how they can rapidly increase production levels! Because they have vast reserves of untapped oil!

    There's no other country in the world that has anything like Iraq's potential. It's very high qiuality low sulphur oil and it's literally just under the ground. In 2003 loads of Iraqis digging air raid shelters on their land before we invaded did a Jethro Clampett and struck oil on their land there's so much, but there are supergiant fields that western companies mapped out decades ago that have never been drilled. Hundreds of trillions of dollars worth. By comparison the only country in the world with more oil, Saudi, has pumped more than 50% of its oil and production has been declining for years even though they're pumping as much as they can.

    Meanwhile in the rest of the world energy companies are reduced to drilling in over 10 000 feet of seawater to tap relatively tiny amounts of oil. That stuff costs more than the current price of oil just to get it out of the ground so it's uneconomic. Iraqi oil costs a dollar a barrel to produce.

    Which explains this:

    8030286688_8681cef5b7_b.jpg
    Jed......Jed Clampett

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?
    Well slim posted a link about Bloomberg reporting rapid increase in current Iraqui oil production levels. Not so much about untapped stuff.
    You are correct in that the Kurdish region is where a lot oil has come from and bloomberg gave the results.
    But not about regions still untapped.
    I am under the impression that the old Al Queada (ISIS) is maneuvering to take the untapped regions.

    George Bush Jr invading Iraq has unleashed a problem that can't be solved.
    No way does this get fixed militarily.


    With Obama it is non stop hemorrhaging. If we had Paul...he said pull out. So a non stop blood bath occurs under his presidency. His son has kind of flip flopped, so he'd be Obama II.
    Jeb or Cruz, Fiorina or Rubio would bankrupt us with continued military presence like we have in Korea and Vietnam. Difference is 50 years later our troops in Korea aren't fighting to keep rival sects, insurgents and jihadist out.

    I think the stupidest thing is how some attribute this to Islam, alone.
    Since The Baathist coup in 1963 was sanctioned by the CIA in order to isolate Nasser, destroy the move towards Arab unity and control of Iraqi oil from the Iraqi people. The Secretary-General of the Baath proudly boasted, “We came to power on a CIA train

    40 years ago Arab world’s great poet, Saadi Youssef wrote: Which country have you come to now? Here, you will open a door to a torture chamber. And one day in a garden you will see your arms, your eyes, or your speeding heart.”

    Then add on Sunni/Shia differences of how Islam should be taught (blood line of the prophet) or by those who followed him. Then add on how WWI.. carved up the Ottoman empire.
    Then add on..
    Revolutionaries for and against communism. ....removing Saddam under a lie as stated by neocon Paul Wolfowitz..
    Validated with the war drum of my God is bigger than your god-challenge..
    When LT. General Boykin told Muslims, God put American president Bush Jr in power to fight you..

    Add on the secret Dick Cheney Energy Task Force meetings where Iraq maps were drawn according to untapped oil reserves and not according to regions of people.

    Add on an Iraqi constitution conceived by the interim government under the watchful eye of Paul Bremer (non Iraqi) fashioned to include PSA production servicec agreements that allowed oil corporations virtual immunity to a vast amount of oil.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_oil_law_(2007)

    Sending in troops to bypass munitions dump, fuck securing...the BOARDER.. but...secure oil fields.
    Debatthify the government, educators, scientists,

    Removing Saddam from power...and the way it was done...is the most stupidest evil vile fucked up act any government has ever done.
    In the history of this planet.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?
    Well slim posted a link about Bloomberg reporting rapid increase in current Iraqui oil production levels. Not so much about untapped stuff.
    That's how they can rapidly increase production levels! Because they have vast reserves of untapped oil!

    There's no other country in the world that has anything like Iraq's potential. It's very high qiuality low sulphur oil and it's literally just under the ground. In 2003 loads of Iraqis digging air raid shelters on their land before we invaded did a Jethro Clampett and struck oil on their land there's so much, but there are supergiant fields that western companies mapped out decades ago that have never been drilled. Hundreds of trillions of dollars worth. By comparison the only country in the world with more oil, Saudi, has pumped more than 50% of its oil and production has been declining for years even though they're pumping as much as they can.

    Meanwhile in the rest of the world energy companies are reduced to drilling in over 10 000 feet of seawater to tap relatively tiny amounts of oil. That stuff costs more than the current price of oil just to get it out of the ground so it's uneconomic. Iraqi oil costs a dollar a barrel to produce.

    Which explains this:

    8030286688_8681cef5b7_b.jpg
    They are actually losing drilling sites.

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    27 maps that explain the crisis in Iraq | vox.com

    I think this is a good history by maps.
    All's lost! Everything's going to shit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
    I agree, Arafat made a lot of mIstakes. And as walrus stated Obama has saId some things that didn't add up.
    Slim, regarding your previous post about Bloomberg and the Iraq oil production I still haven't researched it but if memory serves me correct the oil is in the Kurdish stronghold areas which were rather well put together when Saddam wasn't bombing them. Is that part of the story to your knowledge, I forget where that post was @SlimTrae
    About 20% of the oil is in Kurdish areas but these fiels are mostly used up now and won't produce much in the future. Almost all Iraq's oil is in the Shiite south and this oil has hardly been developed at all. It's the biggest undeveloped oil region on the planet by a country mile, there's a hundred and fifty trillion dollars under the ground there. This used to be owned by Saddam's Sunnis and now the Shiites(and Shiite Iran) control it and the Sunnis are eating dust. Can you see why they're so pissed off now?
    Well slim posted a link about Bloomberg reporting rapid increase in current Iraqui oil production levels. Not so much about untapped stuff.
    That's how they can rapidly increase production levels! Because they have vast reserves of untapped oil!

    There's no other country in the world that has anything like Iraq's potential. It's very high qiuality low sulphur oil and it's literally just under the ground. In 2003 loads of Iraqis digging air raid shelters on their land before we invaded did a Jethro Clampett and struck oil on their land there's so much, but there are supergiant fields that western companies mapped out decades ago that have never been drilled. Hundreds of trillions of dollars worth. By comparison the only country in the world with more oil, Saudi, has pumped more than 50% of its oil and production has been declining for years even though they're pumping as much as they can.

    Meanwhile in the rest of the world energy companies are reduced to drilling in over 10 000 feet of seawater to tap relatively tiny amounts of oil. That stuff costs more than the current price of oil just to get it out of the ground so it's uneconomic. Iraqi oil costs a dollar a barrel to produce.

    Which explains this:

    8030286688_8681cef5b7_b.jpg


    They are actually losing drilling sites.
    Who are losing drilling sites? You mean oil wells?

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