Roy jones chin discussion..

[Spicoli]

"I feel a responsibility to re enter the ring" On top of sad, that just sounds..odd. The wording. He's talking about opening gyms and business dealings etc. in Russia. Love forward thinking and branching out but really wonder if Jones has gotten himself in too deep with obligations that others, including himself, will overlook his health for. He needs to stop. Period!

[IamInuit]

Or were his supreme speed, timing and reflexes the key to avoid a complete flush shot for so long.

I'm going to second what @TitoFan said. I'd also add that his offensive style made him more susceptible to getting hit. He was always offense first behind the incredible speed and athleticism. When those assets start to erode you get caught by shots that seemed telegraphed previously. Where as a guy like Mayweather whose approach is defense first will not show the same effects from the loss of timing.

Roy's chin may have or may not have been as fragile as it has looked post Ruiz. He was never stopped as an amateur in about 130 fights. I don't think its his chin really. I just think he gets caught with clean shots that never would have gotten to him and that those shots might ko most people.

Whats incredible about Roys abilities is the fact that he never needed a jab, nor did he really use one ever. The only time I saw him use one was against Vinny Paz. It was an actual jab fest. Pretty sure he landed 100 jabs one round. Never needed a jab at his level. Imagine that. I've often wondered how things may have changed later in his career had he developed a jab as good as the rest of him.

[TitoFan]

Or were his supreme speed, timing and reflexes the key to avoid a complete flush shot for so long.

I'm going to second what @TitoFan said. I'd also add that his offensive style made him more susceptible to getting hit. He was always offense first behind the incredible speed and athleticism. When those assets start to erode you get caught by shots that seemed telegraphed previously. Where as a guy like Mayweather whose approach is defense first will not show the same effects from the loss of timing.

Roy's chin may have or may not have been as fragile as it has looked post Ruiz. He was never stopped as an amateur in about 130 fights. I don't think its his chin really. I just think he gets caught with clean shots that never would have gotten to him and that those shots might ko most people.

Whats incredible about Roys abilities is the fact that he never needed a jab, nor did he really use one ever. The only time I saw him use one was against Vinny Paz. It was an actual jab fest. Pretty sure he landed 100 jabs one round. Never needed a jab at his level. Imagine that. I've often wondered how things may have changed later in his career had he developed a jab as good as the rest of him.

I think categorizing Roy as "offense first" while Floyd was "defense first" is right on the button. Two guys with tremendous natural athletic and boxing ability.... and yet there was that important distinction. Reason why we never saw ugly knockout losses by Floyd.

BTW.... the Pazienza fight was one of my favorites. Don't know why, but I was dying to see Vinny KTFO'ed. I knew Roy would easily outbox him, but the ferocity of the knockout caught me by surprise. I'd never seen so many punches land smack in the face of a fighter in such quick succession. Vinny must've asked post-fight how many Roys were in the ring with him.

[IamInuit]

Or were his supreme speed, timing and reflexes the key to avoid a complete flush shot for so long.

I'm going to second what @TitoFan said. I'd also add that his offensive style made him more susceptible to getting hit. He was always offense first behind the incredible speed and athleticism. When those assets start to erode you get caught by shots that seemed telegraphed previously. Where as a guy like Mayweather whose approach is defense first will not show the same effects from the loss of timing.

Roy's chin may have or may not have been as fragile as it has looked post Ruiz. He was never stopped as an amateur in about 130 fights. I don't think its his chin really. I just think he gets caught with clean shots that never would have gotten to him and that those shots might ko most people.

Whats incredible about Roys abilities is the fact that he never needed a jab, nor did he really use one ever. The only time I saw him use one was against Vinny Paz. It was an actual jab fest. Pretty sure he landed 100 jabs one round. Never needed a jab at his level. Imagine that. I've often wondered how things may have changed later in his career had he developed a jab as good as the rest of him.

I think categorizing Roy as "offense first" while Floyd was "defense first" is right on the button. Two guys with tremendous natural athletic and boxing ability.... and yet there was that important distinction. Reason why we never saw ugly knockout losses by Floyd.

BTW.... the Pazienza fight was one of my favorites. Don't know why, but I was dying to see Vinny KTFO'ed. I knew Roy would easily outbox him, but the ferocity of the knockout caught me by surprise. I'd never seen so many punches land smack in the face of a fighter in such quick succession. Vinny must've asked post-fight how many Roys were in the ring with him.

Lol me 2. Never cared for Vinny and his Lamotta impersonation. And lmao on the how many Roys comment.

[beenKOed]

"I feel a responsibility to re enter the ring" On top of sad, that just sounds..odd. The wording. He's talking about opening gyms and business dealings etc. in Russia. Love forward thinking and branching out but really wonder if Jones has gotten himself in too deep with obligations that others, including himself, will overlook his health for. He needs to stop. Period!

Every time he's gotten in the ring, the past few years, everybody has been telling him to stop. He is not going to stop.
I think you are right about him letting himself be drawn into a bad situation. I hope it works out for him.

[Master]

Roy had a decent chin but that knock down was strange and his subsequent knockouts which have been clean appears that he had a weak chin a long.

[Spicoli]

"I feel a responsibility to re enter the ring" On top of sad, that just sounds..odd. The wording. He's talking about opening gyms and business dealings etc. in Russia. Love forward thinking and branching out but really wonder if Jones has gotten himself in too deep with obligations that others, including himself, will overlook his health for. He needs to stop. Period!

Every time he's gotten in the ring, the past few years, everybody has been telling him to stop. He is not going to stop.
I think you are right about him letting himself be drawn into a bad situation. I hope it works out for him.

I just wonder who if anyone is advising or traveling with him over there? Honestly it gets to the point where you can't keep felling bad for a guy making bad decisions and tempting fate. Roy gets put on another level as far as guys hanging on and being beat to a pulp. He lined up a string of zero hopers to 'shine' against and it was obvious to anyone that it would lead to a bigger money event that eventually would end badly. He was even ranting about a title needing to be at stake. I really hope the next time he's on HBO judging and critiquing another guy half his age taking punches someone calls him out for his own good.