Where does Ali rank P4P?

[Master]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

Name 10 a head of him then?

~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~

1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles

11 ... Cassius Clay

Your list just shows how stupid and bias you are. Embarrassing Bill.

[powerpuncher]

#1 but that just may be my bias. Definitely top 5 for sure though. He had tremendous speed, an exceptional chin, great stamina, awesome footwork, and he had decent power. He was also very tough and competitive. I'm shocked that some people don't have him in at least their top 10 p4p.

[IamInuit]

p4p=popularity contest. It’s a kind of backronym and lazy way of saying it. Its use suggests that it has real meaning but it doesn’t.

Besides based on what it’s supposed to mean which has been bastardized over time, how do you include any heavyweight on the list? Has anyone here ever seen a 7 foot featherweight? How do you begin to make the leap for heavyweights to even enter the discussion?

Suppose Wlad or Ali fought at feather how would they do?

It’s a ridiculous question.

Armstrong was a real pound for pound fighter. Greb, Langford, Carpentier, Gans etc etc. Oscar, Floyd, Manny are pound for pound fighters. But save a few, even multiple belt holders today are tainted when the true meaning of the word is applied. Most of these guys are fighting 2 divisions south of where they should be to begin with so when they move up its smoke and mirrors. Armstrong showed up at the weigh in against Ross at 133 for a welter title challenge. That’s a pound for pound fight and fighter. Greb showed up for the first Tunney fight at 162. Check out Babados Joe Walcotts career.

Ali ranks as the best hev ever by plenty of people, historians and average Joes just like Louis and that's fine by me and where he sits in ATG lists is open to question just like the default to Robinson is. Personally I believe there have been several fighters that would have or could have beaten them both.

[pacfan]

Purely from the point of view as a boxer I'm not sure, but as a celebrity boxer, no doubt he is the the best P4P. He was extremely popular and almost everybody loved him. You've probably heard people chanting Ali, Ali! and I don't remember anyone booing him... He's become a boxing icon. Ask people who they think represents boxing - the answer will most likely be, Ali. But actually, I didn't like him that much then...

[beenKOed]

If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.

[Master]

If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.

Only top 15! Give me your list.

[beenKOed]

If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.

Only top 15! Give me your list.

You'll have to pay to see it, PPV and I are going to ring you dry, you danged skin-fling.

[johnsebastianmiran]

I liked both Ali and Robinson and when I was growing up I watched Ali as he surprisingly whipped Sonny Liston. Sonny was not a flashy fighter he was good but took too long to get a title shot and who knew how old he really was. Along came Ali with a fast mouth and this is important, a large ego. The bigger the ego the more driven when challenged. All the ATG's had egos but few worked well on you psychologically. Sonny Liston did text book boxing and won correctly and his ego was comprised of being tough as Ali's was anything you can do will never compare to me and he taunted them into a frenzy they could not recover from. George Foreman was strong and driven he was more man according to him. For Dempsey his enemy was his ego and the fact that he hated neutral corners but boxing was going through a change and he was not mentally prepared for what became know as "The long count.". It is easy to be tough when you are standing behind the referee waiting for someone to get up but if they got up and won then someone's ego would suffer greatly. Jack Johnson was proud of being black and pissed off the bigots of his time but with the evolution of boxing his style would be obsolete in this era but all time greats were good in their time but crossing the time line I would not venture to put them on a pound for pound list today. Foreman came back to erase an error, losing the title he ferociously loved. IamInuit put it in properer perspective when he mentioned guys I felt like Manny and Floyd that moved up created a smoke screen I believe with catch weights. They were not made like Armstrong who won with heart mind and body beating a bigger man with his own natural weight no catch weights. Ali and Tyson Fury used the same methods except for the costumes but both destroyed egos and Ali is the All time great that won contests of nerves and ego. Everything else is open for dissection. It's all in the head and here is where winning and losing begins or ends. Ali, headache or all time great P4p?

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

Name 10 a head of him then?

~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~

1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles

11 ... Cassius Clay

Your list just shows how stupid and bias you are. Embarrassing Bill.

Master 'Wet Noodle'

On the overall,

Cassius Clay is an 'Eleven'.

How many on that Top 10 list have been called 'Clowns' as much as Cassius.

[Master]

Cassius Clay

I don't even have him in the Top 10 of the Heavyweight Division.

He dangles at #11.

Pound-For-Pound

As Ralph Kramden stated ........... "Har-De-Har-Har"

Name 10 a head of him then?

~ Heavyweight's On Their 'Overall' Career ~

1 ..... Jack Dempsey
2 ..... Joe Louis
3 ..... Larry Holmes
4 ..... James J. Jeffries
5 ..... Rocky Marciano
6 ..... Jack Johnson
7 ..... Lennox Lewis
8 ..... George Foreman
9 ..... Gene Tunney
10 ... Ezzard Charles

11 ... Cassius Clay

Your list just shows how stupid and bias you are. Embarrassing Bill.

Master 'Wet Noodle'

On the overall,

Cassius Clay is an 'Eleven'.

How many on that Top 10 list have been called 'Clowns' as much as Cassius.

How many have been called the greatest?

Ezzard Charles? Really must have strained your brain trying to come up with that one.