Foreman clubs out EVERYONE but Ali

[mikeeod]

Not sure George beats Lennox or Riddick Bowe. Both guys were very big men who were faster and more mobile than a prime Foreman. George may have had the strength and power advantage over both, but they were much better boxers and had more options in the ring.

In my opinion, Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield beat any version of Foreman. Holmes, in my opinion, is a very underrated boxer whose jab, chin, stamina, and movement would've made him EXTREMELY difficult for Foreman (or any heavyweight, including Ali) to beat during his prime. Evander would just be a bad style match up, able to utilize his stamina, chin, and underrated defense to survive 6-7 brutal rounds before stopping an exhausted Foreman. You have to remember that a young Foreman was not clever at all, and knew nothing about pace.

Foreman had a good fight with Evander when Holy field was at his peak and George old. Prime George would have stopped Evander because Holyfield like to fight and that would have spelt trouble for him.

Where I see things different is that actually, Foreman was better suited to fight Evander when he was older, smarter, and knew about the importance of pacing himself. The young Foreman would have gone all out and tried for the knockout, exhausting himself in the process. Evander has a world class chin, heart, and stamina. He had very underrated boxing skills, and his defense was on point when he needed it to be. It would have been brutal for Evander for the first 6 or 7 rounds, but Evander was difficult to stop during his prime (almost impossible), and George struggled with guys who could last the distance (Ali/Young). Evander would last the distance.

[Master]

Not sure George beats Lennox or Riddick Bowe. Both guys were very big men who were faster and more mobile than a prime Foreman. George may have had the strength and power advantage over both, but they were much better boxers and had more options in the ring.

In my opinion, Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield beat any version of Foreman. Holmes, in my opinion, is a very underrated boxer whose jab, chin, stamina, and movement would've made him EXTREMELY difficult for Foreman (or any heavyweight, including Ali) to beat during his prime. Evander would just be a bad style match up, able to utilize his stamina, chin, and underrated defense to survive 6-7 brutal rounds before stopping an exhausted Foreman. You have to remember that a young Foreman was not clever at all, and knew nothing about pace.

Foreman had a good fight with Evander when Holy field was at his peak and George old. Prime George would have stopped Evander because Holyfield like to fight and that would have spelt trouble for him.

Where I see things different is that actually, Foreman was better suited to fight Evander when he was older, smarter, and knew about the importance of pacing himself. The young Foreman would have gone all out and tried for the knockout, exhausting himself in the process. Evander has a world class chin, heart, and stamina. He had very underrated boxing skills, and his defense was on point when he needed it to be. It would have been brutal for Evander for the first 6 or 7 rounds, but Evander was difficult to stop during his prime (almost impossible), and George struggled with guys who could last the distance (Ali/Young). Evander would last the distance.

Foreman was never stopped by anyone other than Ali and Evander would not be able to do that. Foreman would pace himself better and I could not see Evander stand up to Foreman's blows. Taking Bowes is one thing but Big George is a different thing.

[mikeeod]

Not sure George beats Lennox or Riddick Bowe. Both guys were very big men who were faster and more mobile than a prime Foreman. George may have had the strength and power advantage over both, but they were much better boxers and had more options in the ring.

In my opinion, Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield beat any version of Foreman. Holmes, in my opinion, is a very underrated boxer whose jab, chin, stamina, and movement would've made him EXTREMELY difficult for Foreman (or any heavyweight, including Ali) to beat during his prime. Evander would just be a bad style match up, able to utilize his stamina, chin, and underrated defense to survive 6-7 brutal rounds before stopping an exhausted Foreman. You have to remember that a young Foreman was not clever at all, and knew nothing about pace.

Foreman had a good fight with Evander when Holy field was at his peak and George old. Prime George would have stopped Evander because Holyfield like to fight and that would have spelt trouble for him.

Where I see things different is that actually, Foreman was better suited to fight Evander when he was older, smarter, and knew about the importance of pacing himself. The young Foreman would have gone all out and tried for the knockout, exhausting himself in the process. Evander has a world class chin, heart, and stamina. He had very underrated boxing skills, and his defense was on point when he needed it to be. It would have been brutal for Evander for the first 6 or 7 rounds, but Evander was difficult to stop during his prime (almost impossible), and George struggled with guys who could last the distance (Ali/Young). Evander would last the distance.

Foreman was never stopped by anyone other than Ali and Evander would not be able to do that. Foreman would pace himself better and I could not see Evander stand up to Foreman's blows. Taking Bowes is one thing but Big George is a different thing.

Wasn't just Bowe's punches Evander took. He took Tyson's, Lewis's, Foreman's, Moorer's, Mercer's, Cooper's, and Rahman's best punches, and those guys had legitimate one punch power. You are correct that only Ali stopped George, but Jimmy Young came very close as well, late in their fight. I feel that Evander could punch harder than either of those guys, not that it would matter much. George was stopped due to exhaustion, which would also be a factor in his fight vs. Evander. Foreman was a beast in his prime, and EXTREMELY strong. Evander was no slouch in the strength department, however, and would likely be "up" for a fight against a prime Foreman. I can definitely see your argument/POV, and think you make valid points, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

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[mikeeod]

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Well, when u go in depth like that, it's definitely tough to argue. Very deep/in depth analysis u wrote there.

[ruthless rocco]

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Well, when u go in depth like that, it's definitely tough to argue. Very deep/in depth analysis u wrote there.

I think if you go through all his past posts and threads you'll see he's almost never right about anything.

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Well, when u go in depth like that, it's definitely tough to argue. Very deep/in depth analysis u wrote there.

I think if you go through all his past posts and threads you'll see he's almost never right about anything.

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Well, when u go in depth like that, it's definitely tough to argue. Very deep/in depth analysis u wrote there.

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[Master]

Not sure George beats Lennox or Riddick Bowe. Both guys were very big men who were faster and more mobile than a prime Foreman. George may have had the strength and power advantage over both, but they were much better boxers and had more options in the ring.

In my opinion, Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield beat any version of Foreman. Holmes, in my opinion, is a very underrated boxer whose jab, chin, stamina, and movement would've made him EXTREMELY difficult for Foreman (or any heavyweight, including Ali) to beat during his prime. Evander would just be a bad style match up, able to utilize his stamina, chin, and underrated defense to survive 6-7 brutal rounds before stopping an exhausted Foreman. You have to remember that a young Foreman was not clever at all, and knew nothing about pace.

Foreman had a good fight with Evander when Holy field was at his peak and George old. Prime George would have stopped Evander because Holyfield like to fight and that would have spelt trouble for him.

Where I see things different is that actually, Foreman was better suited to fight Evander when he was older, smarter, and knew about the importance of pacing himself. The young Foreman would have gone all out and tried for the knockout, exhausting himself in the process. Evander has a world class chin, heart, and stamina. He had very underrated boxing skills, and his defense was on point when he needed it to be. It would have been brutal for Evander for the first 6 or 7 rounds, but Evander was difficult to stop during his prime (almost impossible), and George struggled with guys who could last the distance (Ali/Young). Evander would last the distance.

Foreman was never stopped by anyone other than Ali and Evander would not be able to do that. Foreman would pace himself better and I could not see Evander stand up to Foreman's blows. Taking Bowes is one thing but Big George is a different thing.

Wasn't just Bowe's punches Evander took. He took Tyson's, Lewis's, Foreman's, Moorer's, Mercer's, Cooper's, and Rahman's best punches, and those guys had legitimate one punch power. You are correct that only Ali stopped George, but Jimmy Young came very close as well, late in their fight. I feel that Evander could punch harder than either of those guys, not that it would matter much. George was stopped due to exhaustion, which would also be a factor in his fight vs. Evander. Foreman was a beast in his prime, and EXTREMELY strong. Evander was no slouch in the strength department, however, and would likely be "up" for a fight against a prime Foreman. I can definitely see your argument/POV, and think you make valid points, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Not to labour the point and you know your boxing but Holyfield was very inconsistent and it was probably due to injury and taking fighters for granted but he was knocked down by right hand from Cooper (not his big left hook), wobbled by uppercut from Bowe and knocked out by right hand by Bowe not even mentioning body shots by Toney.

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[Andre]

I've been a member since 2002.

We know. But that is a very old fashioned term for one.

[brocktonblockbust]

I've been a member since 2002.

We know. But that is a very old fashioned term for one.

We actually DO know about the 2002 thing. Imagine a year earlier was the whole 9-11 thing, the world was changed after that.

[mikeeod]

Not sure George beats Lennox or Riddick Bowe. Both guys were very big men who were faster and more mobile than a prime Foreman. George may have had the strength and power advantage over both, but they were much better boxers and had more options in the ring.

In my opinion, Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield beat any version of Foreman. Holmes, in my opinion, is a very underrated boxer whose jab, chin, stamina, and movement would've made him EXTREMELY difficult for Foreman (or any heavyweight, including Ali) to beat during his prime. Evander would just be a bad style match up, able to utilize his stamina, chin, and underrated defense to survive 6-7 brutal rounds before stopping an exhausted Foreman. You have to remember that a young Foreman was not clever at all, and knew nothing about pace.

Foreman had a good fight with Evander when Holy field was at his peak and George old. Prime George would have stopped Evander because Holyfield like to fight and that would have spelt trouble for him.

Where I see things different is that actually, Foreman was better suited to fight Evander when he was older, smarter, and knew about the importance of pacing himself. The young Foreman would have gone all out and tried for the knockout, exhausting himself in the process. Evander has a world class chin, heart, and stamina. He had very underrated boxing skills, and his defense was on point when he needed it to be. It would have been brutal for Evander for the first 6 or 7 rounds, but Evander was difficult to stop during his prime (almost impossible), and George struggled with guys who could last the distance (Ali/Young). Evander would last the distance.

Foreman was never stopped by anyone other than Ali and Evander would not be able to do that. Foreman would pace himself better and I could not see Evander stand up to Foreman's blows. Taking Bowes is one thing but Big George is a different thing.

Wasn't just Bowe's punches Evander took. He took Tyson's, Lewis's, Foreman's, Moorer's, Mercer's, Cooper's, and Rahman's best punches, and those guys had legitimate one punch power. You are correct that only Ali stopped George, but Jimmy Young came very close as well, late in their fight. I feel that Evander could punch harder than either of those guys, not that it would matter much. George was stopped due to exhaustion, which would also be a factor in his fight vs. Evander. Foreman was a beast in his prime, and EXTREMELY strong. Evander was no slouch in the strength department, however, and would likely be "up" for a fight against a prime Foreman. I can definitely see your argument/POV, and think you make valid points, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Not to labour the point and you know your boxing but Holyfield was very inconsistent and it was probably due to injury and taking fighters for granted but he was knocked down by right hand from Cooper (not his big left hook), wobbled by uppercut from Bowe and knocked out by right hand by Bowe not even mentioning body shots by Toney.

Appreciate the compliment (not sure I agree that I know boxing though because as Brockton pointed out, I've only been on THIS site since 2011 and only posted 943 times), and I actually agree with your point on why Evander lost some of his fights. He took Bowe lightly the first time, Lennox lightly the first time, fought Moorer and Bowe (third time) with injuries/illness, and thought Toney would be a walk in the park. Evander had problems with slick guys (Larry Donald, Chris Byrd, James Toney, Fres Oquendo...etc.), and big men who could box and control distance/fight tall (Bowe and Lewis). When Evander came to the fight motivated, however, he was a different animal (think Bowe, Moorer, and even the Lewis rematches, along with the Douglas and Tyson fights). I can't see any scenario where Evander UNDERESTIMATES George Foreman, and actually feel that he would view George as a bully (like he did Tyson), and actually come in more focused than usual. I like George and think he was a great champ and unfortunate to come along when the greatest heavyweight ever was around, but stylistically I don't see him doing well vs. Bowe, Lewis, Holmes, or Holyfield. Good discussion and great debate though.

[Master]

Not sure George beats Lennox or Riddick Bowe. Both guys were very big men who were faster and more mobile than a prime Foreman. George may have had the strength and power advantage over both, but they were much better boxers and had more options in the ring.

In my opinion, Larry Holmes and Evander Holyfield beat any version of Foreman. Holmes, in my opinion, is a very underrated boxer whose jab, chin, stamina, and movement would've made him EXTREMELY difficult for Foreman (or any heavyweight, including Ali) to beat during his prime. Evander would just be a bad style match up, able to utilize his stamina, chin, and underrated defense to survive 6-7 brutal rounds before stopping an exhausted Foreman. You have to remember that a young Foreman was not clever at all, and knew nothing about pace.

Foreman had a good fight with Evander when Holy field was at his peak and George old. Prime George would have stopped Evander because Holyfield like to fight and that would have spelt trouble for him.

Where I see things different is that actually, Foreman was better suited to fight Evander when he was older, smarter, and knew about the importance of pacing himself. The young Foreman would have gone all out and tried for the knockout, exhausting himself in the process. Evander has a world class chin, heart, and stamina. He had very underrated boxing skills, and his defense was on point when he needed it to be. It would have been brutal for Evander for the first 6 or 7 rounds, but Evander was difficult to stop during his prime (almost impossible), and George struggled with guys who could last the distance (Ali/Young). Evander would last the distance.

Foreman was never stopped by anyone other than Ali and Evander would not be able to do that. Foreman would pace himself better and I could not see Evander stand up to Foreman's blows. Taking Bowes is one thing but Big George is a different thing.

Wasn't just Bowe's punches Evander took. He took Tyson's, Lewis's, Foreman's, Moorer's, Mercer's, Cooper's, and Rahman's best punches, and those guys had legitimate one punch power. You are correct that only Ali stopped George, but Jimmy Young came very close as well, late in their fight. I feel that Evander could punch harder than either of those guys, not that it would matter much. George was stopped due to exhaustion, which would also be a factor in his fight vs. Evander. Foreman was a beast in his prime, and EXTREMELY strong. Evander was no slouch in the strength department, however, and would likely be "up" for a fight against a prime Foreman. I can definitely see your argument/POV, and think you make valid points, but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Not to labour the point and you know your boxing but Holyfield was very inconsistent and it was probably due to injury and taking fighters for granted but he was knocked down by right hand from Cooper (not his big left hook), wobbled by uppercut from Bowe and knocked out by right hand by Bowe not even mentioning body shots by Toney.

Appreciate the compliment (not sure I agree that I know boxing though because as Brockton pointed out, I've only been on THIS site since 2011 and only posted 943 times), and I actually agree with your point on why Evander lost some of his fights. He took Bowe lightly the first time, Lennox lightly the first time, fought Moorer and Bowe (third time) with injuries/illness, and thought Toney would be a walk in the park. Evander had problems with slick guys (Larry Donald, Chris Byrd, James Toney, Fres Oquendo...etc.), and big men who could box and control distance/fight tall (Bowe and Lewis). When Evander came to the fight motivated, however, he was a different animal (think Bowe, Moorer, and even the Lewis rematches, along with the Douglas and Tyson fights). I can't see any scenario where Evander UNDERESTIMATES George Foreman, and actually feel that he would view George as a bully (like he did Tyson), and actually come in more focused than usual. I like George and think he was a great champ and unfortunate to come along when the greatest heavyweight ever was around, but stylistically I don't see him doing well vs. Bowe, Lewis, Holmes, or Holyfield. Good discussion and great debate though.

I agree with Lennox, Bowe and Holmes v Foreman but Holyfield was smaller but if anyone could take the blows from Foreman then Evander could and if he did then you are right big George would be in trouble.

PS Forget what Brock says.

[IamInuit]

One of the most overrated heavyweights in the history of the sport. His legacy was captured after he retired for 8 years. In his prime he had the same resume as Wilder and when he beat Frazier he was somehow vaulted to some weird status. "Clubbed" is a perfect word to describe the guy

Its comically ironic that those who downplay Ali will then go on to bolster the likes of him and Larry Holmes.