George foreman comeback

[g3org3]

How good was george foreman to come back and win the belt like he did...does that show how great he was as a heavyweight or do we pick on the era.

Tommy morrison beat him in the end but does the comeback george made make a difference to your top 5 heavyweight list?

ABSOLUTELY

It was a call of redemption, as everyone had thought George to be 'A Joke' when he made his
announcement to come back.

He accomplished more than Cassius Clay did {later in his career} by 10 Fold.

He did...but ali beat him in his prime

He did but if they had 10 fights how many times do you think Ali could pull that off ? 2 times maybe 3 at most, Forman is ranked higher in my all time list than Ali

Show me your list, I could do with a laugh.

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

[Master]

How good was george foreman to come back and win the belt like he did...does that show how great he was as a heavyweight or do we pick on the era.

Tommy morrison beat him in the end but does the comeback george made make a difference to your top 5 heavyweight list?

ABSOLUTELY

It was a call of redemption, as everyone had thought George to be 'A Joke' when he made his
announcement to come back.

He accomplished more than Cassius Clay did {later in his career} by 10 Fold.

He did...but ali beat him in his prime

He did but if they had 10 fights how many times do you think Ali could pull that off ? 2 times maybe 3 at most, Forman is ranked higher in my all time list than Ali

Show me your list, I could do with a laugh.

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

Joe Louis got smashed by Rocky. Foreman lost to Morrison, Briggs and Holyfield so these 2 top fighters fought on past their best. Not even mention Robinson fighting way past his prime.

You are also giving too much respect for undefeated record and surprised you did not have Sven Ottke on your list.

[g3org3]

How good was george foreman to come back and win the belt like he did...does that show how great he was as a heavyweight or do we pick on the era.

Tommy morrison beat him in the end but does the comeback george made make a difference to your top 5 heavyweight list?

ABSOLUTELY

It was a call of redemption, as everyone had thought George to be 'A Joke' when he made his
announcement to come back.

He accomplished more than Cassius Clay did {later in his career} by 10 Fold.

He did...but ali beat him in his prime

He did but if they had 10 fights how many times do you think Ali could pull that off ? 2 times maybe 3 at most, Forman is ranked higher in my all time list than Ali

Show me your list, I could do with a laugh.

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

Joe Louis got smashed by Rocky. Foreman lost to Morrison, Briggs and Holyfield so these 2 top fighters fought on past their best. Not even mention Robinson fighting way past his prime.

You are also giving too much respect for undefeated record and surprised you did not have Sven Ottke on your list.

Yes they did fight past there prime but they were not constantly getting beat up by shit opposition like Jones Jr. Tyson etc so that's why I've included them and a top 10 list is very subjective everyone likes different things in fighters. I honestly don't know how people can have Duran in any list after that no mas but that's just my opinion not that it matters much.

[rjj tszyu]

How good was george foreman to come back and win the belt like he did...does that show how great he was as a heavyweight or do we pick on the era.

Tommy morrison beat him in the end but does the comeback george made make a difference to your top 5 heavyweight list?

ABSOLUTELY

It was a call of redemption, as everyone had thought George to be 'A Joke' when he made his
announcement to come back.

He accomplished more than Cassius Clay did {later in his career} by 10 Fold.

He did...but ali beat him in his prime

He did but if they had 10 fights how many times do you think Ali could pull that off ? 2 times maybe 3 at most, Forman is ranked higher in my all time list than Ali

Show me your list, I could do with a laugh.

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

Joe Louis got smashed by Rocky. Foreman lost to Morrison, Briggs and Holyfield so these 2 top fighters fought on past their best. Not even mention Robinson fighting way past his prime.

You are also giving too much respect for undefeated record and surprised you did not have Sven Ottke on your list.

Spot on here Master. You can't leave people out for fighting on past their primes and ultimately being beaten by people who they would have schooled in their primes and then still have Robinson up there.

IMO Robinson is the greatest ever so for me when we talk about atg's, yes there has to be longevity but if they do fight on too long we have to consider their primes when compiling these lists and not the shadow of their former selves they go on to become.

As for the achievements of Foreman? Absolutely phenomenal!! And to me he is the second greatest HW of all time to Ali. I read earlier someone saying if they fought 10 times..... Ali was a master of game plans and was also amazing at adjusting to styles but he actually told us what he'd do to Foreman before the fight and then carried it out pretty much to the word and Foreman couldn't change his gameplan despite being warned about what Ali would do.

Anyway I don't want to sound like I am taking anything away from George, he is a true legend and to hold the greatest title in the greatest division in what was probably the 2 greatest eras of that division is one of the greatest achievements in the history of the sport.

[Mr140]

It added to his legacy the fact he was the oldest champion was something special. MM was a great fighter but he beat a Holyfeild that had some medical issues and that the best he ever became. Foreman was a great champion but at the end of the day he could not defend the belt much. His best wins are Frazier, Norton, Lyle and MM pretty great wins but him not being able to defend the belt much kinda effects his rating for me. I have Holyfeild, Lewis, and Ali cearly ahead of him but he is somewhere in the top 10 his comeback gave him more legacy and better quiltey win to his resume.

[Britkid]

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

So you punish fighters when they are past their prime...

Mayweather arguably 'peaked' a decade ago; and fought this year.

Hagler may of peaked in the late 70s, and no matter what was never quite so Marvelous post Sibson, yet fought on until 1987.

Louis peaked in the late 30s and fought on into the 50s.

Robinson peaked in the 40s and fought on onto the 60s.

Holmes possibly peaked in the Norton fight, certainly was not the same post Cooney and yet in 82 he was only a third of the way through his career (in time).

Foreman peaked in 73 yet was still fighting nearly 25 years later!

Hopkins peaked in the later part of the 20th century and certainly was never quite the same post Trinidad, yet he is still active a decade and a half later...

[Master]

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

So you punish fighters when they are past their prime...

Mayweather arguably 'peaked' a decade ago; and fought this year.

Hagler may of peaked in the late 70s, and no matter what was never quite so Marvelous post Sibson, yet fought on until 1987.

Louis peaked in the late 30s and fought on into the 50s.

Robinson peaked in the 40s and fought on onto the 60s.

Holmes possibly peaked in the Norton fight, certainly was not the same post Cooney and yet in 82 he was only a third of the way through his career (in time).

Foreman peaked in 73 yet was still fighting nearly 25 years later!

Hopkins peaked in the later part of the 20th century and certainly was never quite the same post Trinidad, yet he is still active a decade and a half later...

Maybe it is the fact that they peaked and still did well to some degree. Suprised Roberto Duran is not in it then.

Each to their own but Floyd being top is just horrible.

[Britkid]

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

So you punish fighters when they are past their prime...

Mayweather arguably 'peaked' a decade ago; and fought this year.

Hagler may of peaked in the late 70s, and no matter what was never quite so Marvelous post Sibson, yet fought on until 1987.

Louis peaked in the late 30s and fought on into the 50s.

Robinson peaked in the 40s and fought on onto the 60s.

Holmes possibly peaked in the Norton fight, certainly was not the same post Cooney and yet in 82 he was only a third of the way through his career (in time).

Foreman peaked in 73 yet was still fighting nearly 25 years later!

Hopkins peaked in the later part of the 20th century and certainly was never quite the same post Trinidad, yet he is still active a decade and a half later...

Maybe it is the fact that they peaked and still did well to some degree. Suprised Roberto Duran is not in it then.

Each to their own but Floyd being top is just horrible.

It is very subjective; within reason there is no right or wrong. I did a list earlier this year. My top 10 went:

10 Carlos Monzon
9 Benny Leonard
8 Ezzard Charles
7 Joe Louis
6 Muhammad Ali
5 Harry Greb
4 Bob Fitzsimmons
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

Of those not listed on g3org3's 10:

Lil Floyd I had at 17; Hagler 34; Marciano 54; Holmes 44; Foreman 55; Lewis 76; Hopkins 26 and I did not have Calzaghe in the 100.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

So you punish fighters when they are past their prime...

Mayweather arguably 'peaked' a decade ago; and fought this year.

Hagler may of peaked in the late 70s, and no matter what was never quite so Marvelous post Sibson, yet fought on until 1987.

Louis peaked in the late 30s and fought on into the 50s.

Robinson peaked in the 40s and fought on onto the 60s.

Holmes possibly peaked in the Norton fight, certainly was not the same post Cooney and yet in 82 he was only a third of the way through his career (in time).

Foreman peaked in 73 yet was still fighting nearly 25 years later!

Hopkins peaked in the later part of the 20th century and certainly was never quite the same post Trinidad, yet he is still active a decade and a half later...

Maybe it is the fact that they peaked and still did well to some degree. Suprised Roberto Duran is not in it then.

Each to their own but Floyd being top is just horrible.

It is very subjective; within reason there is no right or wrong. I did a list earlier this year. My top 10 went:

10 Carlos Monzon
9 Benny Leonard
8 Ezzard Charles
7 Joe Louis
6 Muhammad Ali
5 Harry Greb
4 Bob Fitzsimmons
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

Of those not listed on g3org3's 10:

Lil Floyd I had at 17; Hagler 34; Marciano 54; Holmes 44; Foreman 55; Lewis 76; Hopkins 26 and I did not have Calzaghe in the 100.

If ever you are bored, with no other commitments, please post your top 100. That top 10 looka good.

[g3org3]

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

So you punish fighters when they are past their prime...

Mayweather arguably 'peaked' a decade ago; and fought this year.

Hagler may of peaked in the late 70s, and no matter what was never quite so Marvelous post Sibson, yet fought on until 1987.

Louis peaked in the late 30s and fought on into the 50s.

Robinson peaked in the 40s and fought on onto the 60s.

Holmes possibly peaked in the Norton fight, certainly was not the same post Cooney and yet in 82 he was only a third of the way through his career (in time).

Foreman peaked in 73 yet was still fighting nearly 25 years later!

Hopkins peaked in the later part of the 20th century and certainly was never quite the same post Trinidad, yet he is still active a decade and a half later...

No what I mean is let's use Roy Jones as the perfect example, I don't rate fighters when they fight way past there prime and continue to lose to very poor opposition. If Roy had retired after say the glen Johnson fight I would probably of had him top 5 but he continued to fight and get beat by lesser fighters and I don't give fighters a pass just because there out of there prime. If they chose to fight past there prime they must take everything that comes with it good or bad.

[Britkid]

Top 10 all time is probably

1. Floyd mayweather
2. Marvin hagler
3. Joe Louis
4. Ray Robinson
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Larry Holmes
7. George Forman
8. Joe calzaghe
9. Lenox Lewis
10. Bernard Hopkins

I know my top list is probably different to a lot but I'm pretty harsh on fighters. I would love to add Roy Jones, Tyson etc but if fighters chose to fight past there prime they need to take the good with the bad.

So you punish fighters when they are past their prime...

Mayweather arguably 'peaked' a decade ago; and fought this year.

Hagler may of peaked in the late 70s, and no matter what was never quite so Marvelous post Sibson, yet fought on until 1987.

Louis peaked in the late 30s and fought on into the 50s.

Robinson peaked in the 40s and fought on onto the 60s.

Holmes possibly peaked in the Norton fight, certainly was not the same post Cooney and yet in 82 he was only a third of the way through his career (in time).

Foreman peaked in 73 yet was still fighting nearly 25 years later!

Hopkins peaked in the later part of the 20th century and certainly was never quite the same post Trinidad, yet he is still active a decade and a half later...

No what I mean is let's use Roy Jones as the perfect example, I don't rate fighters when they fight way past there prime and continue to lose to very poor opposition. If Roy had retired after say the glen Johnson fight I would probably of had him top 5 but he continued to fight and get beat by lesser fighters and I don't give fighters a pass just because there out of there prime. If they chose to fight past there prime they must take everything that comes with it good or bad.

Then I ask again; why rate the Foreman's and Robinson's? Both lost to fighters on par with those who have flattened Jones recently.

[g3org3]

well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.

[Britkid]

well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.

So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...

[g3org3]

well as for Forman I don't agree with you at all who did he lose too that was shit ? The Briggs fight he clearly won and got robbed, Holyfield is an all time great who was undefeated when they met, Morrison was also looked at as a very promising talent think he only had been beat 1 time before facing Forman. Ali well some rate his as the best ever and there was another defeat he had can even remember the guys name but I think he was pretty average to be honest.
As for Robinson I'll be honest I've not seen all his fights although I've seen a lot and didn't know a lot of the fighters he faced but he did look like a phenomenal talent, probably the most complete package fighter I've seen, from what I've seen he looked as if he had it all.

So you punish Jones Jr because you watched his fights, but reward Robinson because you did not? Surely then you should have Greb in there; as there no film of his fights...

Well yes obviously I can judge fighters a lot better actually growing up watching them fight, as I said before I know very few of Ray Robinsons opponents and am just judging Robinson on how he looks in fights because he's from an era I wasn't born in. Also Jones been getting brutality stopped in fights something that never happened to Robinson. Have u just done a complete u turn on Forman was expecting a reply about his defeats?

[Spicoli]

I laughed at the time. In hindsight nothing but respect for what he achieved after 10 years out of the sport while competing against a truck load of soft touches and a handful of legit top competitors. He reinvented himself mentally and physically and became a household name. Compared to some chump named Wilder today..also a Olympic medalist..Foreman did it the hard way and earned his championship.