Absolute Proof Liberalism is a Mental Disorder

[brocktonblockbust]

I don't like most media either, but these guys are really no better than any of the lot. If you believe 911 was an inside job, or that the "New World ORder" actually exists, I believe you are at best very poorly informed and wishing for such madness to be true. For as much as you bash the UK, there are several really good media outlets based there. I'm subscribed to the Economist, and I often check Reuters and the Independent online. They arent totally objective and the Independent often has garbage pop stuff, but there is also good breaking information there from people much more informed than these two. I'm sure you disagree.

And you can be sure that I disagree too. You have dismissed Alex Jones who is a really good source of information even if you disagree with his agenda he is certainly very well informed as miles has correctly stated. And also as miles has correctly stated you cannot simply dismiss him and because you don't like his hair style or the tone of his voice. Too many of you lot simply dismiss people like David Icke and Alex Jones because you don't like their hair style or the type of coat that they wear but that has s*** to do with the material that they are presenting. Please try to cast your net in a wider zone and this way you will not limit yourself to the myriad things that you might avail yourself of in this universe.

[p4pking]

I'm not sure you even pretend to be genuine half the time you aren't posting gibberish, so I wasn't to interested in your opinion. I don't give a rats what they look like or how they dress and appear, I find it very hard to listen in detail to people who hold core beliefs which I consider nonsensical. I have given both of them a try, I think they are poorly informed, and most any evidence they put forward is purely anecdotal.

[Gandalf]

I read the Independent, but like with several British papers has gone downhill. There is so much that they just won't talk about. If you look at who owns these papers you start to see familiar patterns and understand how the news is working. Just take the absurd Corbyn bashing for instance and basically ignoring issues like fracking and the extent of the harmful policies being carried out by the Tories. The latest being a draconian housing bill that will devastate people. Meanwhile Labours reshuffle is all that matters. Bonkers and a very obvious agenda. And dont get me started on the Putin demonisation! At least with Infowars you get a fair take on other countries and regions that we have destroyed. If you read the British papers the Iraq war never happened and terrorists emerged from a vacuum in their shiny new jeeps. You dont get a perfect picture from anywhere but you do need different sources to try and get some balance. If you just read British papers a worldview is a very incomplete one.

[p4pking]

The independent had an article today about British soldiers in Iraq standing trial for torture, it can't be that bad, I usually find decent articles on there. I am by no means well informed, I'm sure you read a lot more than I do and that's great. Do you believe the 911 wasn't a terrorist attack though? As I don't, it's very hard to take people convinced otherwise very seriously. It just doesn't add up, even your hero Chomsky doesn't go that far :P

[Gandalf]

The independent had an article today about British soldiers in Iraq standing trial for torture, it can't be that bad, I usually find decent articles on there. I am by no means well informed, I'm sure you read a lot more than I do and that's great. Do you believe the 911 wasn't a terrorist attack though? As I don't, it's very hard to take people convinced otherwise very seriously. It just doesn't add up, even your hero Chomsky doesn't go that far :P

I am open minded and have argued both ways on 911. All I know is that the official narrative is flawed and there are a lot of things that do not add up. Building 7 falling on its own and the two towers falling like a controlled demolition obviously raises question marks. There is too much to go into here though. It's a huge topic.

The Indy isn't terrible, I read through every morning. It does have information, but when it comes to economic analysis and honesty about Britains role in destabilising the world, I find it lacking. No mainstream paper will fully go there really. I do love Fisk though who will speak the truth about Israel.

[Gandalf]

Today I see the BBC is also doing its best to get in the fray by undermining a democratically elected party leader. The BBC, like most of the British media has an agenda. If you are Cameron you can cut everything, double the debt, bomb anywhere, sell off council homes, frack, let banks carry out widespread fraud and even allegedly have sex with a pigs head, all just dandy and yet look at the number of negative articles Corbyn is facing and for what? Because he is a man of peace and wants to nationalise over priced services? I defy anyone to say that the British media is respectable or fair in the way it covers 'news' really. RT is another source of information that you often won't find in the British press.

https://www.rt.com/uk/328284-bbc-dou...nation-corbyn/

[p4pking]

The independent had an article today about British soldiers in Iraq standing trial for torture, it can't be that bad, I usually find decent articles on there. I am by no means well informed, I'm sure you read a lot more than I do and that's great. Do you believe the 911 wasn't a terrorist attack though? As I don't, it's very hard to take people convinced otherwise very seriously. It just doesn't add up, even your hero Chomsky doesn't go that far :P

I am open minded and have argued both ways on 911. All I know is that the official narrative is flawed and there are a lot of things that do not add up. Building 7 falling on its own and the two towers falling like a controlled demolition obviously raises question marks. There is too much to go into here though. It's a huge topic.

The Indy isn't terrible, I read through every morning. It does have information, but when it comes to economic analysis and honesty about Britains role in destabilising the world, I find it lacking. No mainstream paper will fully go there really. I do love Fisk though who will speak the truth about Israel.

Building 7 was hit by heavy debris from the north tower and several fires started inside. It was searched once over but then Larry Silverstein and the Fire chief ordered a halt to it as there was nobody inside and so many firemen had already died. There were ZERO casualties as a result of it's collapse. Major skyscrapers are designed to implode in the event of a major structural fault, so that they don't topple sideways. People who simply want to believe it was an inside job without objectively looking at the facts really creep me out. Have you read the 911 commission report? It's entirely uncontroversial.

[brocktonblockbust]

the independent had an article today about british soldiers in iraq standing trial for torture, it can't be that bad, i usually find decent articles on there. I am by no means well informed, i'm sure you read a lot more than i do and that's great. Do you believe the 911 wasn't a terrorist attack though? As i don't, it's very hard to take people convinced otherwise very seriously. It just doesn't add up, even your hero chomsky doesn't go that far

i am open minded and have argued both ways on 911. All i know is that the official narrative is flawed and there are a lot of things that do not add up. Building 7 falling on its own and the two towers falling like a controlled demolition obviously raises question marks. There is too much to go into here though. It's a huge topic.

The indy isn't terrible, i read through every morning. It does have information, but when it comes to economic analysis and honesty about britains role in destabilising the world, i find it lacking. No mainstream paper will fully go there really. I do love fisk though who will speak the truth about israel.

building 7 was hit by heavy debris from the north tower and several fires started inside. It was searched once over but then larry silverstein and the fire chief ordered a halt to it as there was nobody inside and so many firemen had already died. There were zero casualties as a result of it's collapse. Major skyscrapers are designed to implode in the event of a major structural fault, so that they don't topple sideways. People who simply want to believe it was an inside job without objectively looking at the facts really creep me out. Have you read the 911 commission report? It's entirely uncontroversial.

hahahaha!!!! What rubbish.

[Gandalf]

The independent had an article today about British soldiers in Iraq standing trial for torture, it can't be that bad, I usually find decent articles on there. I am by no means well informed, I'm sure you read a lot more than I do and that's great. Do you believe the 911 wasn't a terrorist attack though? As I don't, it's very hard to take people convinced otherwise very seriously. It just doesn't add up, even your hero Chomsky doesn't go that far :P

I am open minded and have argued both ways on 911. All I know is that the official narrative is flawed and there are a lot of things that do not add up. Building 7 falling on its own and the two towers falling like a controlled demolition obviously raises question marks. There is too much to go into here though. It's a huge topic.

The Indy isn't terrible, I read through every morning. It does have information, but when it comes to economic analysis and honesty about Britains role in destabilising the world, I find it lacking. No mainstream paper will fully go there really. I do love Fisk though who will speak the truth about Israel.

Building 7 was hit by heavy debris from the north tower and several fires started inside. It was searched once over but then Larry Silverstein and the Fire chief ordered a halt to it as there was nobody inside and so many firemen had already died. There were ZERO casualties as a result of it's collapse. Major skyscrapers are designed to implode in the event of a major structural fault, so that they don't topple sideways. People who simply want to believe it was an inside job without objectively looking at the facts really creep me out. Have you read the 911 commission report? It's entirely uncontroversial.

I have read excerpts, but I haven't sat down and read it in full. I have heard it was a whitewash. What you say does not tally with what I know about building 7 at all. There are a number of sites out there with a lot of information and from people who know far more than me. Give it a look as what you say above suggests you do not even consider alternative sources of information. The people who creep me out are statists that trust the system. Not that I am saying you are one, but if you were to believe the government then there would be WMD in Iraq, that the Taliban carried out 9-11, that ISIS appeared out the blue. Of course that is all gibberish and the story of 9-11 doesn't really hold together very well when you look into it either and that of course started the descent into madness.

[Gandalf]

Mind you, I always have time for Robert Fisk who seems able to say what we wants about the ME. Also as far as papers go the Indy is one of the better ones, but considering I think it is slipping says how much I respect the others. The Telegraph is appalling. And of course normal folk read horror rags like The Sun. Give me Infowars any day of the week over a lot of that. Plus Infowars has great guests like William Binney, Ron Paul, Max Keiser, and even Donald Trump is seeing the light with some of the things he is saying.

[brocktonblockbust]

Plenty of gold and secrets was stored in building seven. Did you not hear the owner say let's pull it let's pull it hurry up pull it pull it I had it pulled. The stupid piece of s*** said that a half an hour before the building at actually collapsed plus it was said several times afterwards