Absolute Proof Liberalism is a Mental Disorder

[Gandalf]

The independent had an article today about British soldiers in Iraq standing trial for torture, it can't be that bad, I usually find decent articles on there. I am by no means well informed, I'm sure you read a lot more than I do and that's great. Do you believe the 911 wasn't a terrorist attack though? As I don't, it's very hard to take people convinced otherwise very seriously. It just doesn't add up, even your hero Chomsky doesn't go that far :P

I am open minded and have argued both ways on 911. All I know is that the official narrative is flawed and there are a lot of things that do not add up. Building 7 falling on its own and the two towers falling like a controlled demolition obviously raises question marks. There is too much to go into here though. It's a huge topic.

The Indy isn't terrible, I read through every morning. It does have information, but when it comes to economic analysis and honesty about Britains role in destabilising the world, I find it lacking. No mainstream paper will fully go there really. I do love Fisk though who will speak the truth about Israel.

Building 7 was hit by heavy debris from the north tower and several fires started inside. It was searched once over but then Larry Silverstein and the Fire chief ordered a halt to it as there was nobody inside and so many firemen had already died. There were ZERO casualties as a result of it's collapse. Major skyscrapers are designed to implode in the event of a major structural fault, so that they don't topple sideways. People who simply want to believe it was an inside job without objectively looking at the facts really creep me out. Have you read the 911 commission report? It's entirely uncontroversial.

I have read excerpts, but I haven't sat down and read it in full. I have heard it was a whitewash. What you say does not tally with what I know about building 7 at all. There are a number of sites out there with a lot of information and from people who know far more than me. Give it a look as what you say above suggests you do not even consider alternative sources of information. The people who creep me out are statists that trust the system. Not that I am saying you are one, but if you were to believe the government then there would be WMD in Iraq, that the Taliban carried out 9-11, that ISIS appeared out the blue. Of course that is all gibberish and the story of 9-11 doesn't really hold together very well when you look into it either and that of course started the descent into madness.

[p4pking]

I'm not a shill, I think Politicians are all bought and paid for and the official narrative for going to war is usually complete BS anywhere. Suggesting that these same people actually orchestrated 911 is a different thing though, and that's what doesn't add up. Never mind that it's a nasty idea, it is giving them FAR to much credit. Nobody could have pulled that off as an inside job without it leaking out somehow, when you really think about what it would have taken. Who planted all the explosives? When, nobody saw them? Not one of them ever told a loved one or anybody else who wasn't completely involved, no deathbed confessions, yada yada yada.

Debunking 911 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition Homepage

This is a very good website with far more concrete information that the sources you likely refer to, like it or not Miles. Obviously the narrative is set, but it does completely disprove, or provides far more likely explanations than most of the conspiracy nonsense if you actually read it. Building 7 is fairly straightforward really.

[Gandalf]

What Brock said was true though, the owner of the building admitted that they had it pulled down which is an odd thing to say. All 3 buildings went down in the same manner as a controlled demolition. Then of course there are the 1700 scientists and engineers that dispute the official narrative and the narrative of rescue workers whose voices have been ignored. Now would the typical congressman be in on it? No, very unlikely, but there are shadow forces at play beyond the knowledge of most including the President and you know that. It shouldn't be the case, but that's what Eisenhower warned about all those years ago. I will have a look at the site, but there are plenty of sites that counter the official narrative and people with expert knowledge too. Considering the unwillingness of officials to investigate properly also means there are inevitably a lot of question marks also.

[p4pking]

There is a section on that site about building 7 which explains it in depth, you should read it and tell me what you think. Who are these 1700 scientists and engineers, or rescue workers you speak of? Care to point me to anyone remotely credible who gives any firsthand account to support an inside job? What kind of shadow powers do you think could have pulled this off? This will become a bit like arguing against religion, I suspect.

[Gandalf]

What kind of shadow powers would give weapons to Isis, or enforce financial tyranny through fiat, or start wars, or spy on people illegally? Shadow governments are wieldy, diverse, and notably silent and unnacountable. It is nothing like religion with nothing backing it up, it is all out there and with people in expensive buildings paid by the taxpayer. Just read some Chomsky, Griffin, Roberts, or Klein to get a general understanding. Maybe you already have, I don't know. I mostly just read books, so don't have many links, but just a look at Wiki will put you in touch with the 9-11 ideas and give you more info about the types of conspiracy and who says what. You have to admit there is a lot of good information out there and it doesn't really point in the direction of Saddam Hussein. Bit of a strawman to throw religion in there really, nothing alike.

[brocktonblockbust]

@Gandalf @p4pking @walrus (the fucking SHILL)

[brocktonblockbust]

Inconceivably difficult to orchestrate? Seriously bro? What is even more inconceivably difficult to orchestrate is 19 Arabs hijacking four airplanes with box cutters dude and knowing how to drive them from halfway across the country back into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. You are one gullible bastard

[brocktonblockbust]

Dude they trained as pilots in little 2 seater Cessnas and twin engine aircraft. The ones who trained in Goodyear Arizona received pilot scores of c- which is below par. You cannot receive a commercial pilot's license if you score any less than a b minus according to the FAA. These losers were patsies.

[brocktonblockbust]

Mate you have to give pound for pound king a bit of a lesson on syllogistic reasoning. His major and minor premises contain faulty reasoning and therefore his conclusions are faulty. Unsound syllogistic reasoning.

[brocktonblockbust]

Europe has become a joke letting in all these millions and millions of refugees. 6 months ago people said it would be a disaster and 6 months later it is clear that it is a disaster and it is only getting worse. Now there are mass gang rapes going on and no end in sight to the bend over backwards politically correct do gooder save the world kumbaya pansies

[brocktonblockbust]

@p4pking I like you too bro and I will now take the time to check that site out I have not done it yet but please also. Please also check out the video on YouTube which is quite amazing begin of hundreds of Syrian refugees in Germany jeering and protesting and driving out and refusing to accept Red Cross medicine and food because of Red Cross emblems on the boxes. It is inconceivable to me. When I was in Turkey the Turkish government also complained that the Syrians in the refugee camps in Adana and other southern cities like iskenderun and hotay would complain and stage massive protests in the camps because they were only getting beef stew every day and wanted a more varied menu.!!!
I mean wtf that's just absolutely nuts and totally thankless. I don't know why master think that that is a Donald Trump propaganda but he is just trying to demonize some of these rather inconvenient fact that many of the Syrian refugees are actually bitching and moaning that the camps don't have enough food or enough varied kinds of food and vegetables etc have a look at that video it is titled something like Syrian refugees refuse Red Cross food because of the Red Cross on the boxes or something like that.

[p4pking]

What kind of shadow powers would give weapons to Isis, or enforce financial tyranny through fiat, or start wars, or spy on people illegally? Shadow governments are wieldy, diverse, and notably silent and unnacountable. It is nothing like religion with nothing backing it up, it is all out there and with people in expensive buildings paid by the taxpayer. Just read some Chomsky, Griffin, Roberts, or Klein to get a general understanding. Maybe you already have, I don't know. I mostly just read books, so don't have many links, but just a look at Wiki will put you in touch with the 9-11 ideas and give you more info about the types of conspiracy and who says what. You have to admit there is a lot of good information out there and it doesn't really point in the direction of Saddam Hussein. Bit of a strawman to throw religion in there really, nothing alike.

You're the straw man here, SON. I'm suggesting 911 was much different and would have been inconceivably difficult to orchestrate, the idea isn't remotely on par with what you suggest. Chomsky in fact reinforces my thinking so, I have borrowed several points from him in discussing this A look at wiki... In other words you have absolutely no credible source whatsoever? About what I assumed.

[p4pking]

Neat that neither you guys didn't actually read that link I posted as well. Brock I can understand as he's hopeless, but you should give it some thought Miles.

[Gandalf]

What kind of shadow powers would give weapons to Isis, or enforce financial tyranny through fiat, or start wars, or spy on people illegally? Shadow governments are wieldy, diverse, and notably silent and unnacountable. It is nothing like religion with nothing backing it up, it is all out there and with people in expensive buildings paid by the taxpayer. Just read some Chomsky, Griffin, Roberts, or Klein to get a general understanding. Maybe you already have, I don't know. I mostly just read books, so don't have many links, but just a look at Wiki will put you in touch with the 9-11 ideas and give you more info about the types of conspiracy and who says what. You have to admit there is a lot of good information out there and it doesn't really point in the direction of Saddam Hussein. Bit of a strawman to throw religion in there really, nothing alike.

You're the straw man here, SON. I'm suggesting 911 was much different and would have been inconceivably difficult to orchestrate, the idea isn't remotely on par with what you suggest. Chomsky in fact reinforces my thinking so, I have borrowed several points from him in discussing this A look at wiki... In other words you have absolutely no credible source whatsoever? About what I assumed.

Son? That's a bit weird, Mother.

I referenced Chomsky to refer to shadow government and underhand behavior, not as a source of information about 9/11.