Groves-Di Luica/Ryder-Khomitsky/Hibbert-Martin - Saturday/Sky Sports. Fact.

[Fenster]

Not sure why Murray doesn't "deserve" to fight Groves? He lost two tight decisions against top world-class fighters and got chinned by Golovkin (although taking him 11 rounds is worth a medal in itself).

Groves has a win over DeGale when they were novices, got ironed by Froch and lost against Jack.

Murray doesn't need to prove anything to get a fight with anyone at supermiddle. Especially someone that doesn't even have a "world" title. He's not a puncher and doesn't have the most exciting style but - barring the freak that is GGG - he's not a walkover for anyone at middle/supermiddle.

[Primo Carnera]

Not sure why Murray doesn't "deserve" to fight Groves? He lost two tight decisions against top world-class fighters and got chinned by Golovkin (although taking him 11 rounds is worth a medal in itself).

Groves has a win over DeGale when they were novices, got ironed by Froch and lost against Jack.

Murray doesn't need to prove anything to get a fight with anyone at supermiddle. Especially someone that doesn't even have a "world" title. He's not a puncher and doesn't have the most exciting style but - barring the freak that is GGG - he's not a walkover for anyone at middle/supermiddle.

It's not so much about "deserving Groves" , per say. It's more about
a.) as far as SMW Goes, he isn't on Groves level. What does Groves have to gain from this? and
b.) there are other guys who've worked their bollocks off in their careers at SMW that aren't getting these fights. A decent example of this is his stable mate Rocky Fielding. Now, you could say "he got ironed out early last time out!" Well tbh if Murray fought Callum Smith, who's to say the same wouldn't happen?
Like I said, there are decent fights out there for him that I mentioned before that would earn him decent money AND make him more credible in the division.
Like I said, at SMW , he has beaten nobody in the top 100! And I could easily be as dismissive of his sob story achievements as you were of Groves's.

[Fenster]

I don't get your point that... He's not on Groves level at supermiddle?

Abraham is one of the top supermiddles in the world. The Ring have him ranked no.1 (personally I think DeGale is no.1 but I understand the ranking). In Murray's last fight he lost a close decision against him.

Groves was sparked by Froch and lost a close decision against Jack. I don't see the superior level Groves has fought at that makes Murray not worthy to share a ring with him, and if I bring the middleweights in, then Murray has fought better opposition than Groves.

I don't care about what money they would earn, or what they gain from it, i'm just interested in good matchups. I think it's a good fight.

[Primo Carnera]

I don't get your point that... He's not on Groves level at supermiddle?
well he isn't. You wax lyrical about Murray's near misses, but dismiss Groves's . Froch KO'd Groves , but you could say that in 17 rounds, Froch only won about 5. But anyway, forget about the past, in the here and now, who has Murray beat at SMW in the top 100?
Yeah , Murray went 11 rounds with GGG, So what? He lost 11 rounds.

Abraham is one of the top supermiddles in the world. The Ring have him ranked no.1 (personally I think DeGale is no.1 but I understand the ranking). In Murray's last fight he lost a close decision against him.
well of the 2 you mentioned, I reckon he'd beat Abraham, and he's already beat DeGale (as you say, FACT.)

Groves was sparked by Froch and lost a close decision against Jack. I don't see the superior level Groves has fought at that makes Murray not worthy to share a ring with him, and if I bring the middleweights in, then Murray has fought better opposition than Groves.
If he's such a great MW, why isn't he still a MW? Because he fell just short, and that's exactly what's happening at SMW. You could say the same about Groves, but Groves is rated higher than Murray and will get his next shot quicker.
What is wrong with Murray v Feigenbutz or Buglioni? By the end of the year, Groves will be fighting Abraham or De Carolis, and I happen to think he beats both fair
Y comfortably.

I don't care about what money they would earn, or what they gain from it, i'm just interested in good matchups. I think it's a good fight.
well THEY care what money they earn and I reckon Groves/Abraham is a good match up, I also think Groves/Callum Smith is a good match up. And I think Murray/Buglioni and Murray/Feigenbutz are good match ups.

[Fenster]

1. Waxing lyrical about Murray's losses is stretching it a bit. I merely said he held his own in elite world-class, as did Groves until Froch put him to sleep.

2. Groves may very well beat Abraham but he hasn't beat a fighter of that level yet either - again, DeGale was a 10 fight novice and many believe Groves lost the fight. The only "elite" fighters Groves has faced since then have beat him.

3. I never said Murray was a great middleweight, only that he operated at the highest level. Fighters move up in weight all the time, the ones that have mixed it at the highest level obviously get fast tracked into the new division.

4. I agree with all your matchups. They're all good fights like Murray-Groves.

[Primo Carnera]

I just think they're fish in slightly different ponds, but we'll agree to differ.

[Primo Carnera]

Sauerland/Groves Protest Smith-Mohoumadi WBC Eliminator - Boxing News
Now, this is what I'm talking about! Smith v Groves would be an absolute cracker, and Groves sounds like he fancies the job, and I know Callum Smith does.
Tbf, the WBC aren't going to change their mind , and in a way rightly so. The Mohoumadi fight has been an open secret for a while now, and Groves/Sauerland are only just starting to put their pitch in now, which is too late really. No doubt Groves v Smith is a bigger and better fight, but they should've complained ages ago , when it was first touted.
In a way I hope Groves/Smith doesn't come off , because I think they are both going to be big noises in the current division. Very good matchup though, one of those that I'm gonna keep changing my mind on who wins.