Marquez - Cotto @ a Catchweight of 147-150 ?

[Master]

Great. The pretend ex middleweight champion fighting a used up welterweight...at catch weight. Boxing is becoming a freak show.

Poor version of Canelo v Khan.

[TitoFan]

Great. The pretend ex middleweight champion fighting a used up welterweight...at catch weight. Boxing is becoming a freak show.

Poor version of Canelo v Khan.

Good comparison, @Master

Except that I think it's a better, more competitive version. Both JMM and Khan are campaigning at welter. Difference is Cotto is legitimately a LMW, while Canelo is a full-blown MW. A Cotto on fight night will weigh around 154 to 156, guaranteed. Canelo meanwhile, will come into the ring at around 175. Assuming Khan and JMM would be around the same size, there's no comparison in the weight differences. Also, a bulked-up JMM could make his punches felt on Cotto more than a dancing Khan would on Canelo.

[Master]

Great. The pretend ex middleweight champion fighting a used up welterweight...at catch weight. Boxing is becoming a freak show.

Poor version of Canelo v Khan.

Good comparison, @Master

Except that I think it's a better, more competitive version. Both JMM and Khan are campaigning at welter. Difference is Cotto is legitimately a LMW, while Canelo is a full-blown MW. A Cotto on fight night will weigh around 154 to 156, guaranteed. Canelo meanwhile, will come into the ring at around 175. Assuming Khan and JMM would be around the same size, there's no comparison in the weight differences. Also, a bulked-up JMM could make his punches felt on Cotto more than a dancing Khan would on Canelo.

I say poor mans version because Cotto would easily beat JMM.

[TitoFan]

Great. The pretend ex middleweight champion fighting a used up welterweight...at catch weight. Boxing is becoming a freak show.

Poor version of Canelo v Khan.

Good comparison, @Master

Except that I think it's a better, more competitive version. Both JMM and Khan are campaigning at welter. Difference is Cotto is legitimately a LMW, while Canelo is a full-blown MW. A Cotto on fight night will weigh around 154 to 156, guaranteed. Canelo meanwhile, will come into the ring at around 175. Assuming Khan and JMM would be around the same size, there's no comparison in the weight differences. Also, a bulked-up JMM could make his punches felt on Cotto more than a dancing Khan would on Canelo.

I say poor mans version because Cotto would easily beat JMM.

In terms of probability, what would you assign as an upset probability in each fight?
Here's my take:

JMM upset: 20% probability
Khan upset: 2% probability

[Spicoli]

Great. The pretend ex middleweight champion fighting a used up welterweight...at catch weight. Boxing is becoming a freak show.

Poor version of Canelo v Khan.

Its just a useless fight. I mean who cares Two massive 'names' off of defeats and huge inactivity doing a mutual money rebound at a ridiculous catchweight..on ppv?! Marquez has a single win above 144. It was against a battle thrashed Alvarado who was moving up to in weight. Does anyone think the result will be a true statement as to what they can do next at like weight? More like one grows old, or already has, right before our eyes and calls it a career that night.

All four fighters with respect can do a lot or make much more actual 'competitive' fights at weights already. Yes, fighters do fight for money but this shit is becoming the scrooge mcduck golden round table where they are all in on the joke. Sorry to be so negative bud it just blah

[J_Undisputed]

I'm just trying to figure which thought p*sses me off more....

Canelo clubber langing Khan into a corner and teeing off.


Or marquez racking up one of his 5 punch combos around the cotto muffs only to have cotto stare at him blankly and go to the body.

[Spicoli]

Ruslan Provodnikov at welter being mentioned

Why can't Cotto shoot his last bolt at jr middleweight ffs?

[p4pking]

In fairness, who is at junior middle that wouldn't be a nightmare for Cotto? If you look at the top 10 rankings literally all of them could well beat him. I agree Provodnikov is a bit of a cherry pick, but then again Cotto doesn't have a title or anything, and it could still turn out to be a hell of a fight if he's not totally up for it.

[fan johnny]

For real?

[Master]

For real?

No, hypothetical thread.

[TitoFan]

In fairness, who is at junior middle that wouldn't be a nightmare for Cotto? If you look at the top 10 rankings literally all of them could well beat him. I agree Provodnikov is a bit of a cherry pick, but then again Cotto doesn't have a title or anything, and it could still turn out to be a hell of a fight if he's not totally up for it.

Other than Trout, who already beat him, or Lara, who is a stylistic matchup nightmare for many fighters, I don't see too many names in there that would trouble Cotto very much. He's closing out his career, so I don't see him fighting anyone who doesn't have a big name attached to him. It's a luxury afforded to every great fighter approaching retirement, so why should Cotto be any different?

[p4pking]

I was thinking Charlo, Demetrius Andrade. Not knocking Cotto at all, half of it is those wouldn't even be big scalps for him, I'm all for him taking on an easier fight or two to go out on. If he makes Provodnikov come up in weight much though, it's a bit pointless imo, although it would still be a fun fight.