Quote Originally Posted by J_Undisputed View Post
Quote Originally Posted by ruthless rocco View Post
Roy Jones, at his peak wasn't near cruiser weight. So this is kind of a trick question.

A peak Roy hardly gets touched by Haye.
Also considering that Roy barely was even touched by faster guys at lower weights, that were harder to see coming, its a little hard for me to believe that the lunging, wide hooking, wide stanced haye is gonna catch him. Also id wager to say roy was more than slightly faster than haye (no offense to Mikeeod). I just think its relativity--its easier for haye to look faster against the crop of heavyweights he's faced (even discounting the 7 ft sloth, valuev) - it doesn't me he would look as fast fighting someone from a lower class whos known for his speed. I wouldn't use ruiz as a measuring stick.

My arguments not based on speed as much as its based on style. With hayes kinetics and wide stance, roy would just be able to see him coming from a mile away. Klitchsko did. If haye refined his style, he'd have less tells... so to speak.
Can definitely see your point, and never take offense to counter views/points, I actually prefer them (when they are backed up with insight, as yours was). In my opinion, while Roy was fast and could hit hard at 175, he had lost some in both departments compared to what he could do at 160/168. Roy was faster than pretty much any 175 pounder, but not infinitely faster like he was at the two other weights. He was caught by inferior fighters like Eric Harding, Montell Griffin, Lou del Valle, and Antonio Tarver.

This is where I see him losing to Haye at 190. I just don't see Roy being able to out speed or discourage Haye as necessary for him to last the distance. I see Roy getting backed up to the ropes and taking a pounding until he gets stopped. Can see a case for Roy to counter with something that shakes and discourages David, allowing him to pot shot to a decision, but don't think that is the most likely scenario.