Chisora & Whyte

[Primo Carnera]

Chisora clearly beat Helenius, who certainly did have a pulse, also gave Vitali a tough fight which was no easy feat. Today though? I think he's slipped enough to make the way he fights simply ineffective, although to be honest it would still be a good test/benchmark of how good Whyte is.

I hear what you're saying, but on his record, it's a loss whether we like it or not. I had Groves beating Froch in the 1st fight, but it makes no difference. Besides all that , Helenius hasn't done much since to show that he is anything special anyway. Maybe he was overrated as well.
As for Vitali, he was well beat. He put up a good effort to be fair to him, but that is based on the fact that at the time most people felt he shouldn't be in the same ring as Vitali .
I genuinely believe and some may think I'm crazy, that today, right now, David Price beats Chisora fairly hansomely.
I'm not saying Price would do anything against or even deserves to fight AJ, but that's where i think Chisora is , About 7th or 8th best in Britain!!

[El Kabong]

Helenius tore his rotator cuff and his power has not been the same since....plus just recently he got chinned too

Vitali had some kind of injury when he fought Chisora as well...to me Vitali just looked like normal and systematically beat Chisora but apparently some people thought he was giving Vitali trouble and wanted to see a rematch or wanted Wlad to fight Chisora, why? I have no Earthly idea because Chisora lost handily.


I think Chisora is more talk now than substance in the ring, he's more known for doing outrageous shit outside the ring than for winning inside it. OOOOOOH he spit water in Wlad's face and had a scuffle with David Haye OOOOOOOH......frankly I think Del Boy is a retard

[Hulk]

Helenius tore his rotator cuff and his power has not been the same since....plus just recently he got chinned too

Vitali had some kind of injury when he fought Chisora as well...to me Vitali just looked like normal and systematically beat Chisora but apparently some people thought he was giving Vitali trouble and wanted to see a rematch or wanted Wlad to fight Chisora, why? I have no Earthly idea because Chisora lost handily.


I think Chisora is more talk now than substance in the ring, he's more known for doing outrageous shit outside the ring than for winning inside it. OOOOOOH he spit water in Wlad's face and had a scuffle with David Haye OOOOOOOH......frankly I think Del Boy is a retard

I thought he really brought it to Vitali and pushed him, out working him in some rounds. Coulda even seen a draw.

Now as to your other points...I agree. He was an absolute cunt to spit in Wlad's face like that and to slap Vitali really. Spitting was the worst though.

David Haye beat his ass in that scuffle and then KOd him in the ring. Haye is also a cunt for starting a fight with a man who just went 12 hard rounds, then using weapons like a beer bottle n camera tripod to win said fight.

[El Kabong]

I thought he really brought it to Vitali and pushed him, out working him in some rounds. Coulda even seen a draw.

Could have seen a draw? Absolutely ridiculous, Vitali won going away AND with 1 arm as well!

[Hulk]

I thought he really brought it to Vitali and pushed him, out working him in some rounds. Coulda even seen a draw.

Could have seen a draw? Absolutely ridiculous, Vitali won going away AND with 1 arm as well!

I'm sorry the correct answer is moops. Card says moops.

[Primo Carnera]

Helenius tore his rotator cuff and his power has not been the same since....plus just recently he got chinned too

Vitali had some kind of injury when he fought Chisora as well...to me Vitali just looked like normal and systematically beat Chisora but apparently some people thought he was giving Vitali trouble and wanted to see a rematch or wanted Wlad to fight Chisora, why? I have no Earthly idea because Chisora lost handily.


I think Chisora is more talk now than substance in the ring, he's more known for doing outrageous shit outside the ring than for winning inside it. OOOOOOH he spit water in Wlad's face and had a scuffle with David Haye OOOOOOOH......frankly I think Del Boy is a retard

I thought he really brought it to Vitali and pushed him, out working him in some rounds. Coulda even seen a draw.

Now as to your other points...I agree. He was an absolute cunt to spit in Wlad's face like that and to slap Vitali really. Spitting was the worst though.

David Haye beat his ass in that scuffle and then KOd him in the ring. Haye is also a cunt for starting a fight with a man who just went 12 hard rounds, then using weapons like a beer bottle n camera tripod to win said fight.

Hang on a minute, Haye was a cunt for mouthing off at a press conference that had nothing to do with him, I'll give you that. But Haye didn't start anything.
Chisora stepped off the Platform, walked menacingly to the back of the room towards Haye, taking off his jacket , (not dissimilar to what happened with Whyte) giving it the big 'un. Haye had a beer bottle in his hand and defended himself. Let's get one thing straight , his fist was clenched with the bottle in it and he PUNCHED Chisora, he did not BOTTLE him. Chisora started it by walking to him after his 12 hard rounds , his choice.
As for the Tripod, the only person he hit with that was Adam Booth and by the way , that was comedy gold!!!! Booth having a go at Chisora and his trainer saying "Who Glassed me" , when it was his own mate all along with a fucking tripod!!!

[p4pking]

Chisora clearly beat Helenius, who certainly did have a pulse, also gave Vitali a tough fight which was no easy feat. Today though? I think he's slipped enough to make the way he fights simply ineffective, although to be honest it would still be a good test/benchmark of how good Whyte is.

I hear what you're saying, but on his record, it's a loss whether we like it or not. I had Groves beating Froch in the 1st fight, but it makes no difference. Besides all that , Helenius hasn't done much since to show that he is anything special anyway. Maybe he was overrated as well.
As for Vitali, he was well beat. He put up a good effort to be fair to him, but that is based on the fact that at the time most people felt he shouldn't be in the same ring as Vitali .
I genuinely believe and some may think I'm crazy, that today, right now, David Price beats Chisora fairly hansomely.
I'm not saying Price would do anything against or even deserves to fight AJ, but that's where i think Chisora is , About 7th or 8th best in Britain!!

I've never really gotten that about boxing fans. Everyone knows the judges are often useless or flat out corrupt, yet bad decisions are supposed to stick to the point where they are used to discredit the guy who got robbed. How can you have it both way? OK it's a loss on his record, but anyone who would actually bring up CHisora losing to Helenius as a point in any debate is being stupid imo. Froch-Groves is totally different because it was a stoppage, albeit an iffy one.If Groves had recovered and taken the next couple of rounds then lost on points, would you really say "well he lost to Froch, it's on his record, so he couldn't have possibly beaten so and so"?

[Primo Carnera]

Chisora clearly beat Helenius, who certainly did have a pulse, also gave Vitali a tough fight which was no easy feat. Today though? I think he's slipped enough to make the way he fights simply ineffective, although to be honest it would still be a good test/benchmark of how good Whyte is.

I hear what you're saying, but on his record, it's a loss whether we like it or not. I had Groves beating Froch in the 1st fight, but it makes no difference. Besides all that , Helenius hasn't done much since to show that he is anything special anyway. Maybe he was overrated as well.
As for Vitali, he was well beat. He put up a good effort to be fair to him, but that is based on the fact that at the time most people felt he shouldn't be in the same ring as Vitali .
I genuinely believe and some may think I'm crazy, that today, right now, David Price beats Chisora fairly hansomely.
I'm not saying Price would do anything against or even deserves to fight AJ, but that's where i think Chisora is , About 7th or 8th best in Britain!!

I've never really gotten that about boxing fans. Everyone knows the judges are often useless or flat out corrupt, yet bad decisions are supposed to stick to the point where they are used to discredit the guy who got robbed. How can you have it both way? OK it's a loss on his record, but anyone who would actually bring up CHisora losing to Helenius as a point in any debate is being stupid imo. Froch-Groves is totally different because it was a stoppage, albeit an iffy one.If Groves had recovered and taken the next couple of rounds then lost on points, would you really say "well he lost to Froch, it's on his record, so he couldn't have possibly beaten so and so"?

Firstly , I didn't use the Helenius loss to discredit him, I actually said what has Helenius done since to make him good anyway. Conversely , how can you give a Guy's standing a boost based on fights he's lost?
Also isn't saying "Froch-Groves is totally different because it was a stoppage, albeit an iffy one" exactly the same? Isn't that "having it both ways"? The whole point was Groves didn't have to "recover," he was no more fucked than Froch was.
Finally I'm not saying he can't beat so and so because he lost to Helenius. I'm saying he can't beat so and so because he has NEVER BEATEN ANYBODY WHO IS ANY GOOD!