Nobody beats 1960 to 1967 Muhammad Ali, EVER!

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I think 1960 - 1963 was too early, as he was young & hadn't filled out yet.

I think by 1966, he had filled out & he was in his absolute prime.

Arguably, his 'prime' years were the 3 years he spent in exile, but that's only speculation on my part.

The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams & Zora Foley was the best Ali we ever saw & arguably the finest HW ever.

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I think 1960 - 1963 was too early, as he was young & hadn't filled out yet.

I think by 1966, he had filled out & he was in his absolute prime.

Arguably, his 'prime' years were the 3 years he spent in exile, but that's only speculation on my part.

The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams & Zora Foley was the best Ali we ever saw & arguably the finest HW ever.

Too Fast. Too Fast just too fast that was his number one attribute. It was definitely not his defense on his punching power and he never punch to the body. And sometimes he seemed surprisingly easy to hit. But it was his speed it was his speed speed was the key that put him in another category compared to everybody else

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I think 1960 - 1963 was too early, as he was young & hadn't filled out yet.

I think by 1966, he had filled out & he was in his absolute prime.

Arguably, his 'prime' years were the 3 years he spent in exile, but that's only speculation on my part.

The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams & Zora Foley was the best Ali we ever saw & arguably the finest HW ever.

If Doug Jones could goad a young inexperienced Clay into a fight....pretty much anyone could.

I've always stated 64-67 Ali=undefeatable. Should've been 64-70....

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I think 1960 - 1963 was too early, as he was young & hadn't filled out yet.

I think by 1966, he had filled out & he was in his absolute prime.

Arguably, his 'prime' years were the 3 years he spent in exile, but that's only speculation on my part.

The Ali that beat Cleveland Williams & Zora Foley was the best Ali we ever saw & arguably the finest HW ever.

If Doug Jones could goad a young inexperienced Clay into a fight....pretty much anyone could.

I've always stated 64-67 Ali=undefeatable. Should've been 64-70....

The strange thing is that the exile of Ali created Frazier and the biggest fight ever. If that did not happen Joe may have got beaten by Ali as just another contender.

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You mean...would've. ...

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1938 Joe Louis was the most complete fighting machine there has ever been at heavyweight.

I truly love Ali, in and out of the ring ......... but Louis was the real thing too.

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1938 Joe Louis was the most complete fighting machine there has ever been at heavyweight.

I truly love Ali, in and out of the ring ......... but Louis was the real thing too.

Ali was all wrong for Joe Louis, who was the 2nd best heavyweight of all time, because Joe had problems with skilled boxers who moved. Ali was also bigger and more durable to lost to Joe.

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its true Joe found slick boxers the most difficult style (he obliterated everyone else 😀)

I'd refer you to Britkids comment earlier, if Joe had been born 40 years later, he would have been a couple of inches taller and a few stone heavier with better diet and nutrition.. If he had been born in the 1980s he could have been bigger than Anthiny Joshua. He was bigger than the average guy than Joshua.

Both all time greats though, what a fight that would have been