Must watch presentation on BREXIT. FACTS aplenTY!

[El Kabong]

Seems like a bad governing body, no separation of powers? No checks and balances? Bad things will be coming indeed.

[El Kabong]

[Beanz]

Seems like a bad governing body, no separation of powers? No checks and balances? Bad things will be coming indeed.

What an Infowars wet blanket. Corporate schills and snake oil salesmen parading as independent. Really? You all seem to be beyond challenging yourself by seeking out only that which reinforces your own very narrow belief systems. There is no debate here anymore and that is what happens when the biggest mouths drown everyone else out.

[El Kabong]

What an Infowars wet blanket. Corporate schills and snake oil salesmen parading as independent. Really? You all seem to be beyond challenging yourself by seeking out only that which reinforces your own very narrow belief systems. There is no debate here anymore and that is what happens when the biggest mouths drown everyone else out.

Alright, what is the value of the EU? What does the EU do for England?

Why would you listen to a head of state from another nation which A) doesn't have anything like the EU and B) is full of citizens who wouldn't DARE entertain such talk from a head of state from a different country?


I'm just curious is all.

[Gandalf]

5 and 0 for out is pretty damning. The only people wanting in are the pro immigration crowd and politicians wanting a future job. Common sense wins on this forum.

[Master]

5 and 0 for out is pretty damning. The only people wanting in are the pro immigration crowd and politicians wanting a future job. Common sense wins on this forum.

Mine is not the reason of immigration. It is the centralisation on political power in Europe and the EU market being the pawn for multi nations.

[El Kabong]

5 and 0 for out is pretty damning. The only people wanting in are the pro immigration crowd and politicians wanting a future job. Common sense wins on this forum.

Mine is not the reason of immigration. It is the centralisation on political power in Europe and the EU market being the pawn for multi nations.

So you're for BREXIT?

I can certainly see why just from what little I know about how the EU "government" (which it is) is run. They have a flag, they have an anthem, they make laws, those are things NATIONS have and do.

The EU seems to me to be a way to erase borders and when you do that you will lose language and culture....I would HATE to see Europe just be one single nation #1 There's no fucking way the US would compete with you lot in soccer (only way England wins a World Cup is with the EU ) and #2 There's so much to be appreciated in all of the different cultures in Europe in all the individual nations.

[Beanz]

Do you ever get the feeling that Miles, Brockton and Trump missed their vocation in life and should have maybe been brickies?

It is nowhere near as simple as that. The biggest reason that languages and dialect have been lost is the adoption of English as exported by the Brits - first through Empire and trade and then by America through Business and media ( not just news media, music, movies ,television popular culture etc). Virtually nobody speaks Cornish anymore and that has nothing to do with Europe. There used to be so many different languages spoken in France other then French and most of them disappeared long before the EU came along. The EU actually tries and succeeds in retaining regional diversity by protecting locally made foodstuffs , crafts and traditions etc with cultural grants and loans. I don't know much about American state borders but the free travel of citizens across state divides must be essential for business, pleasure and culture. In Europe there are countries bordered on many sides whose work force have always commuted across borders. That does not mean that the EU is not without many, many flaws but the EU debate is a bit pointless being discussed here when (and I don't mean you) the loudest voices are for those who do not even live in Europe.

In or Out the UK as an Island will never be the same as the rest of the EU. Nobody know s the European anthem or salutes it's flag and the idea that individual nations would ever merge into one big country is just fanciful fear mongering by most Brexit campaigners.

I have not decided which way to vote but unfortunately the Brexit campaign is headed by the most insidious and noxious arse henchmen in recent British political history. The kind of people that would not only kick away a walking aid, but then stand on your gran in order to get to the front of the queue when siphoning off their obscene pensions from your children's taxes and your grandchildren's University tuition fees.

[TitoFan]

The EU seems to me to be a way to erase borders and when you do that you will lose language and culture....I would HATE to see Europe just be one single nation

I don't think that's necessarily true, at least within the space of several generations, maybe more. However, I agree with you in that I'd hate to see Europe become a single nation.

[brocktonblockbust]

Did beanz graduate from The Professional Contrarian School of Fabrication and Misrepresentation over in Exeter?

@walrus
@ykdadamaja
@El Kabong
@Gandalf
@primocarnera
@TitoFan ("More Than A Feel in'")

[walrus]

Did beanz graduate from The Professional Contrarian School of Fabrication and Misrepresentation over in Exeter?

@walrus
@ykdadamaja
@El Kabong
@Gandalf
@primocarnera
@TitoFan ("More Than A Feel in'")

Sounds right I think its where he learned the discreet napkin trick

[Beanz]

Did beanz graduate from The Professional Contrarian School of Fabrication and Misrepresentation over in Exeter?

@walrus
@ykdadamaja
@El Kabong
@Gandalf
@primo carnera
@TitoFan ("More Than A Feel in'")

Why can't you talk to people like a normal human being instead of some bitter twisted retard @name calling a gang every other post?

[Gandalf]

What an Infowars wet blanket. Corporate schills and snake oil salesmen parading as independent. Really? You all seem to be beyond challenging yourself by seeking out only that which reinforces your own very narrow belief systems. There is no debate here anymore and that is what happens when the biggest mouths drown everyone else out.

Alright, what is the value of the EU? What does the EU do for England?

Why would you listen to a head of state from another nation which A) doesn't have anything like the EU and B) is full of citizens who wouldn't DARE entertain such talk from a head of state from a different country?


I'm just curious is all.

You will be waiting some time. The main thing was that he got to have a go at us and feel better about it for a few days. Logically, there is little comeback.

[Memphis]

I'll be voting out. I dont really pay much attention to the pro/anti arguments because all they are collectively doing is trying to point score off of one another and it becomes laboured and boring.

I'll be voting leave because I think our place at the Euro table is null and void, the Eurocrats will do as they please regardless of what it's member states feelings on a particular matter are (see the Dutch referendum)

I dont think there will be any harm to trade agreements with Europe should we leave and we will be able to negotiate them tariff free. I really dont see BMW or Benz saying goodbye to the millions upon millions they make from the UK market just because we vote out and arent part of the 'free trade agreement'

Do I think there will be a massive affect on employment if we leave? I'm not sure, but my hunch says there will be an inevitable shuffling of the deck, some areas will pick up whilst others tail off, one will essentially cancel out the other. What I do know is this, if we're out, we wont be paying into the pot that gets dipped into to provide loans for Turkey to modernise production lines that once existed here. We essentially paid for British workers to get laid off.

Recession? Thats a big one for the remain campaign isnt it. If we leave, we'll go into financial meltdown. Will we really? For this one to stick you've got to take as gospel the word of 'financial analysts' who know what the fuck is going to happen. The problem I have with these cunts is that they historically they havent been too crash hot on their forecasting and to be honest, they've been predicting a 2016 collapse for fucking ages anyway, so Brexit or not its going to happen as far as these twats are concerned. Not to mention that some of these forecasters are bought and paid for doom merchants, paid for by The EU/us amongst others funnily enough.

There is more but Im kinda running out of steam a bit.

I do think there is value in the would you join now argument. If we weren't in the EU and were thinking of joining, would you?

I actually think we will remain. I think we'll remain for the very reason I think we should leave, and thats because we have lost our backbone.

We're more than happy to 'vote for change' when it's voting Rage Against the Machine in as Xmas number one to piss on Simon Cowells bonfire. But with things that actually matter I think there is a large portion of us that simply dont want to rock the boat and we lose our bottle.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'll be voting out. I dont really pay much attention to the pro/anti arguments because all they are collectively doing is trying to point score off of one another and it becomes laboured and boring.

I'll be voting leave because I think our place at the Euro table is null and void, the Eurocrats will do as they please regardless of what it's member states feelings on a particular matter are (see the Dutch referendum)

I dont think there will be any harm to trade agreements with Europe should we leave and we will be able to negotiate them tariff free. I really dont see BMW or Benz saying goodbye to the millions upon millions they make from the UK market just because we vote out and arent part of the 'free trade agreement'

Do I think there will be a massive affect on employment if we leave? I'm not sure, but my hunch says there will be an inevitable shuffling of the deck, some areas will pick up whilst others tail off, one will essentially cancel out the other. What I do know is this, if we're out, we wont be paying into the pot that gets dipped into to provide loans for Turkey to modernise production lines that once existed here. We essentially paid for British workers to get laid off.

Recession? Thats a big one for the remain campaign isnt it. If we leave, we'll go into financial meltdown. Will we really? For this one to stick you've got to take as gospel the word of 'financial analysts' who know what the fuck is going to happen. The problem I have with these cunts is that they historically they havent been too crash hot on their forecasting and to be honest, they've been predicting a 2016 collapse for fucking ages anyway, so Brexit or not its going to happen as far as these twats are concerned. Not to mention that some of these forecasters are bought and paid for doom merchants, paid for by The EU/us amongst others funnily enough.

There is more but Im kinda running out of steam a bit.

I do think there is value in the would you join now argument. If we weren't in the EU and were thinking of joining, would you?

I actually think we will remain. I think we'll remain for the very reason I think we should leave, and thats because we have lost our backbone.

We're more than happy to 'vote for change' when it's voting Rage Against the Machine in as Xmas number one to piss on Simon Cowells bonfire. But with things that actually matter I think there is a large portion of us that simply dont want to rock the boat and we lose our bottle.

This is exceptionally accurate. Fantastic post.