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[Memphis]

I'll be voting out. I dont really pay much attention to the pro/anti arguments because all they are collectively doing is trying to point score off of one another and it becomes laboured and boring.

I'll be voting leave because I think our place at the Euro table is null and void, the Eurocrats will do as they please regardless of what it's member states feelings on a particular matter are (see the Dutch referendum)

I dont think there will be any harm to trade agreements with Europe should we leave and we will be able to negotiate them tariff free. I really dont see BMW or Benz saying goodbye to the millions upon millions they make from the UK market just because we vote out and arent part of the 'free trade agreement'

Do I think there will be a massive affect on employment if we leave? I'm not sure, but my hunch says there will be an inevitable shuffling of the deck, some areas will pick up whilst others tail off, one will essentially cancel out the other. What I do know is this, if we're out, we wont be paying into the pot that gets dipped into to provide loans for Turkey to modernise production lines that once existed here. We essentially paid for British workers to get laid off.

Recession? Thats a big one for the remain campaign isnt it. If we leave, we'll go into financial meltdown. Will we really? For this one to stick you've got to take as gospel the word of 'financial analysts' who know what the fuck is going to happen. The problem I have with these cunts is that they historically they havent been too crash hot on their forecasting and to be honest, they've been predicting a 2016 collapse for fucking ages anyway, so Brexit or not its going to happen as far as these twats are concerned. Not to mention that some of these forecasters are bought and paid for doom merchants, paid for by The EU/us amongst others funnily enough.

There is more but Im kinda running out of steam a bit.

I do think there is value in the would you join now argument. If we weren't in the EU and were thinking of joining, would you?

I actually think we will remain. I think we'll remain for the very reason I think we should leave, and thats because we have lost our backbone.

We're more than happy to 'vote for change' when it's voting Rage Against the Machine in as Xmas number one to piss on Simon Cowells bonfire. But with things that actually matter I think there is a large portion of us that simply dont want to rock the boat and we lose our bottle.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'll be voting out. I dont really pay much attention to the pro/anti arguments because all they are collectively doing is trying to point score off of one another and it becomes laboured and boring.

I'll be voting leave because I think our place at the Euro table is null and void, the Eurocrats will do as they please regardless of what it's member states feelings on a particular matter are (see the Dutch referendum)

I dont think there will be any harm to trade agreements with Europe should we leave and we will be able to negotiate them tariff free. I really dont see BMW or Benz saying goodbye to the millions upon millions they make from the UK market just because we vote out and arent part of the 'free trade agreement'

Do I think there will be a massive affect on employment if we leave? I'm not sure, but my hunch says there will be an inevitable shuffling of the deck, some areas will pick up whilst others tail off, one will essentially cancel out the other. What I do know is this, if we're out, we wont be paying into the pot that gets dipped into to provide loans for Turkey to modernise production lines that once existed here. We essentially paid for British workers to get laid off.

Recession? Thats a big one for the remain campaign isnt it. If we leave, we'll go into financial meltdown. Will we really? For this one to stick you've got to take as gospel the word of 'financial analysts' who know what the fuck is going to happen. The problem I have with these cunts is that they historically they havent been too crash hot on their forecasting and to be honest, they've been predicting a 2016 collapse for fucking ages anyway, so Brexit or not its going to happen as far as these twats are concerned. Not to mention that some of these forecasters are bought and paid for doom merchants, paid for by The EU/us amongst others funnily enough.

There is more but Im kinda running out of steam a bit.

I do think there is value in the would you join now argument. If we weren't in the EU and were thinking of joining, would you?

I actually think we will remain. I think we'll remain for the very reason I think we should leave, and thats because we have lost our backbone.

We're more than happy to 'vote for change' when it's voting Rage Against the Machine in as Xmas number one to piss on Simon Cowells bonfire. But with things that actually matter I think there is a large portion of us that simply dont want to rock the boat and we lose our bottle.

This is exceptionally accurate. Fantastic post.

[El Kabong]

This is exceptionally accurate. Fantastic post.

I was beginning to wonder which side you would be on as I had quite looked forward to reading your take on it.

[El Kabong]

[Kirkland Laing]

This is exceptionally accurate. Fantastic post.

I was beginning to wonder which side you would be on as I had quite looked forward to reading your take on it.

I agree with all of it. It saved me the bother of writing anything. 30% of people according to polls are going to make their mind up at the last minute and most of them will be scared into voting for the status quo. There'll be an avalanche of scare stories in the last week to scare them into voting to stay in unfortunately.

The people who want to leave will lose the battle but win the war -- the EU and the eurozone are falling apart anyway. Something will eventually go bang so badly that it'll bring the whole edifice down, probably the Italian economy.


Having said that I'm quietly hoping that we'll keep a stiff upper lip and vote to fuck off. Stuff like this gives me hope:

The Labour supporters backing Brexit in Stoke-on-Trent heartland – video | Opinion | The Guardian


and

Inside Labour’s London HQ, I joined young volunteers manning the “Labour In” phones with every fact at the ready. We had sheets of Labour-supporting names to call in Nottinghamshire – and the results were grim. “Out”, “Out” and “Out” in call after call, only a couple for remain. “I’ve been Labour all my life, but I’m for leave,” they said. Why? Always the same – immigrants first; that mythical £350m saving on money sent to Brussels second; “I want my country back” third. And then there is, “I don’t know ANYONE voting in.”

Try arguing with facts and you get nowhere. Warn these Labour people what a Johnson/Gove government would do and they don’t care. Warn about the loss of workers’ rights and they don’t listen – maybe that’s already irrelevant to millions in crap jobs such as at Uber or Sports Direct. “We’re full up. Sorry, there’s no room for more. Can’t get GP appointments, can’t get into our schools, no housing.” If you tell these Labour voters that’s because of Tory austerity cuts, still they blame “immigrants getting everything first”. Warn about a Brexit recession leading to far worse cuts and they just say, “Stop them coming, make room for our own first.”

Brexit supporters have unleashed furies even they can’t control | Polly Toynbee | Opinion | The Guardian



So I'm going to have some good bubbly on ice just in case.

[Kirkland Laing]

Oooooh and I just bumped into this!

Within the Labour party, the mood is bleak. “We are sleepwalking to losing the damn thing,” lamented one senior source. One frontbencher returned from canvassing and announced to his office: “It’s just like the general election. The polls say it’ll be fine but every doorstep someone tells you to f*** off.”

The Remain campaign have only thin gruel to keep Britain in the European Union

[El Kabong]

Good, thank you for that added response. I wasn't expecting that much after the "It saved me the bother of writing anything." but you delivered.


Well it seems that this is yet another sign of the apocalypse as we are in agreement on this issue...though the very thought of that may get you to change your stance haha.