Andre Ward

[Master]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

[denilson200]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

[Master]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

If Ward loses you would say he was not in his prime.

[denilson200]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

If Ward loses you would say he was not in his prime.

It won't happen.

[Primo Carnera]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

Firstly, How do we know Ward is in his prime still?
Secondly, Why is there a time limit on it? if it's impossible for prime white fighters to beat prime black fighters, then time doesn't matter, no?
oh, I see , it's so you can discount Lamotta , Marciano & Johansson amongst others.
ok , what about :
Coetzee - Dokes
Quarry - Shavers amongst others
Wlad - Haye
Collins - Eubank
Pac - Mosley
Pac - Bradley
Calzaghe - Lacy (Yes , Lacy was seen as Elite and in his prime till Calzaghe exposed him.)

and there are White guys on that list that I can't fucking stand , so don't think this is some kind of fanfare for the White popular front!
so fucking pick the bones out of that list BRO!

[Ron Swanson]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

Firstly, How do we know Ward is in his prime still?
Secondly, Why is there a time limit on it? if it's impossible for prime white fighters to beat prime black fighters, then time doesn't matter, no?
oh, I see , it's so you can discount Lamotta , Marciano & Johansson amongst others.
ok , what about :
Coetzee - Dokes
Quarry - Shavers amongst others
Wlad - Haye
Collins - Eubank
Pac - Mosley
Pac - Bradley
Calzaghe - Lacy (Yes , Lacy was seen as Elite and in his prime till Calzaghe exposed him.)

and there are White guys on that list that I can't fucking stand , so don't think this is some kind of fanfare for the White popular front!
so fucking pick the bones out of that list BRO!

The last thing I would ever want to do is side with Denison, in fact I don't agree with his point, but you are crazy loose with your use of "white", "prime" and "elite"

[Primo Carnera]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

Firstly, How do we know Ward is in his prime still?
Secondly, Why is there a time limit on it? if it's impossible for prime white fighters to beat prime black fighters, then time doesn't matter, no?
oh, I see , it's so you can discount Lamotta , Marciano & Johansson amongst others.
ok , what about :
Coetzee - Dokes
Quarry - Shavers amongst others
Wlad - Haye
Collins - Eubank
Pac - Mosley
Pac - Bradley
Calzaghe - Lacy (Yes , Lacy was seen as Elite and in his prime till Calzaghe exposed him.)

and there are White guys on that list that I can't fucking stand , so don't think this is some kind of fanfare for the White popular front!
so fucking pick the bones out of that list BRO!

The last thing I would ever want to do is side with Denison, in fact I don't agree with his point, but you are crazy loose with your use of "white", "prime" and "elite"

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and with it , we can discount any theory going!
Coetzee - Dokes

I think Coetzee is white. Dokes was a top HW at the time and in his prime.

Quarry - Shavers amongst others

Quarry was White. Shavers had enough KO's against top guys for some people on this forum (not me) to rate him as the "hardest punching HW ever", and the "most dangerous HW of his time."

Wlad - Haye

Wlad was White (still is if I'm not mistaken) and Haye was HW champion of the World. How much more "Elite" and "in your Prime " do you need to be?

Collins - Eubank

Collins is definitely White. Infact , he looks like a fucking Milk Bottle! Eubank again , was World Champion, and we're only saying he wasn't in his prime because Collins beat him. (It is killing me to say this because I can't fucking stand Collins!)

Pac - Mosley

So what colour is Pac? Black ? Green? Blue? and Ok Mosley may not have been P4P #1 at the time, so prime is out the window, but he was still a worthy opponent and I would say elite.

Pac - Bradley

Bradley-Prime? why not? like I said Hindsight is a wonderful thing , but he was still beating all comers, and as for elite, of course he was elite, he was consistently top 5 P4P at the time. How much more elite do you need to be?

Calzaghe - Lacy (Yes , Lacy was seen as Elite and in his prime till Calzaghe exposed him.)

Calzaghe is white. and I've already explained above my reasoning for Lacy.

Yeah , with hindsight , we can dispel all of these , but in the context of @denilson200's argument , I don't think that should be the case.
the fact that Lamotta beat SRR should be the end of his stupid claim anyway, regardless of how many times SRR beat Lamotta.

[Silkeyjoe]

Is Andre Ward not half cast? I dont get all this race shite on this site? Andre Ward is the son of an Irish Man. Fuck the lot of ye Im counting him as Irish and gonna back Denilson and say when in history has a white fighter beaten a slick Irish fighter like Ward

[denilson200]

Its great to see him fighting again and with Kovalev looking likely for November what do we see in the future for Andre Ward. In both scenarios win and lose v Kovalev.

If he wins will he stay at LHW and try to unify? Im sure a fight with Adonis would be big money or will he go back down to 168 and try to draw GGG up. Im sure GGG v Ward would be worth a lot more money should Ward beat Kov?

If he loses to Kov what will he do? Retire and focus on commentating? Blame the loss on size and campaign again at 168? Id have a feeling if he loses hed be like Naz and give up the game.

If he wins ? The fuck outta here. He'll destroy Kovalev. It will be a mismatch. And he'll destroy GGG

He would beat GGG but do not think he can beat Kov. If he does then he will become a legend.

Name me any time in recent history (Last 40 years.......hell I'll give you 50 years) that an elite black fighter in his prime has lost to a white fighter

Firstly, How do we know Ward is in his prime still?
Secondly, Why is there a time limit on it? if it's impossible for prime white fighters to beat prime black fighters, then time doesn't matter, no?
oh, I see , it's so you can discount Lamotta , Marciano & Johansson amongst others.
ok , what about :
Coetzee - Dokes
Quarry - Shavers amongst others
Wlad - Haye
Collins - Eubank
Pac - Mosley
Pac - Bradley
Calzaghe - Lacy (Yes , Lacy was seen as Elite and in his prime till Calzaghe exposed him.)

and there are White guys on that list that I can't fucking stand , so don't think this is some kind of fanfare for the White popular front!
so fucking pick the bones out of that list BRO!

Out of that list. The only one were I'd say your correct is Vlad and Haye. Haye was elite and in prime. So I'll give you that one.

Manny Pac is white now ? You been smoking something ? Jeff Lacy would'nt get anywhere near any top ten list super middles the last 30 years. Mike Dokes ? Cmon. That that was a mediocre era of heavies Tony Tubbs and Greg Page and Bonecrusher Smith until Tyson cleared it up.

Eubank Vs Collins. Eubank was borderline for me as an elite fighter. He would not have beaten Roy Jones or James Toney. He was good fighter. But elite ? Plus even though he was 31, to me he was an old 31, because of his wars with watson and benn and pretty much all his fights went the distance and he had an iron jaw. I just think say Eubank was elite is debatable.

Earnie Shavers ? I don't think he even won a world title. Did he ? Not sure you can call yourself an elite fighter with out a world title

[Primo Carnera]

So Manny Pac is black? What colour would you say he is in your little rainbow World?
And like I say , hindsight is a wonderful thing. Before the Calzaghe fight , everyone had him as some sort of World Beater, AND before the fight , I think he might have been in YOUR top 30 SMW's.
Perhaps Calzaghe took his Soul !!!

[Batman]

Denilson, to this day you are still my favourite poster on this site.

I know you are just a tool who is full of shite and likes winding people up with the racism stuff but it is frightening to think that there are people who are like that in the real world.

It must be fucking exhausting for people like that (I don't class you with them because you are just trolling)

Any way Kov wins the fight, end of

[imp]

If anyone starts bickering over childish things like race again the mods are going to start giving out instant bans.

This is a forum where we talk about boxers from all skin tones so leave that shit at the door.

It's pathetic..how old are some of you?