Deontay Wilder vs. Chris Arreola

[Hulk]

Woooow How the mighty have fallen.

Vic just brutally starched off of one sweeping right punch..10 count

Well that fuckin sucks.

So Wilder looked mediocre even in dominating?

[TitoFan]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't think Wilder looked as awkward last night as he's looked in previous fights. Dare I say he's actually improving in his technique and ring generalship. No... he'll never be the world's most consummate boxer, but he's perfectly capable of improvement. That being said, I agree he needs to stop clowning. It's this maddening "style before substance" trend of modern times.

[Master]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't think Wilder looked as awkward last night as he's looked in previous fights. Dare I say he's actually improving in his technique and ring generalship. No... he'll never be the world's most consummate boxer, but he's perfectly capable of improvement. That being said, I agree he needs to stop clowning. It's this maddening "style before substance" trend of modern times.

He is just holding the title until AJ flattens him from the sound of your post.

[denilson200]

Good night of boxing

Guillermo Rigoondeaux ? Boxing should be ashamed of itself in how they are treating this guy. Rigo is the purest of pure boxer and for better or worse, no one fights like him. I'd never miss a chance to watch him fight.

Rigo says "Nobody wants to fight me everyone scared of me"

So what does he do ? Wins his next fight by breaking his opponents jaw

Yeah that will do it rigo

Nobody seems to notice that Rigs kept his word and stood right in front of the Dickens the whole time. When Rigs moved forward, Dickens often retreated. Guys seem to completely freeze and stop throwing when they get in there with Rigo. He gets them shook.

What many people don't realize is that Rigo is a shit talker. He's a bit shy and socially awkward but what every Spanish-speaker says is true. It would be great if he spoke English. Rigo can talk trash. And he can back it up. The guy packs dynamite. Rigo obviously doesn't go out of his way to fight, but watch out if he opens up. The guy will bust you up.

The good news for him is 122 has a lot of young undefeated contenders like Rey Vargas and Moises Flores who need to make names for themselves and aren't being protected and micromanaged. Plus Quigg has an L and is probably more willing now.

If he can just stay active like GGG the bigger fights will come to him. With Chocolatito at 115 now that fight is becoming more realistic. They weigh the same on fight night already and it seems Roman is moving up every year. But time is running out on Rigo. He's old, just not too old...yet. That Chocolatito fight would have to happen soon

No one will beat him but father time or a really big weight mismatch, but it's looking likely that we will never see another big name ala Doniare again ..... shame...

On the Wilder undercard it was my first sight of the undefeated Erickson Lubin who a few people have mentioned. I was not that impressed and he doesn't look anything special to me, but he's only 20 and plenty of time.

People give to much credit to an '0' record that was shown in Felix Diaz - Sammy Vasquez Jr fight. Sammy Vasquez Jr was 21-0 it was crazy to have Diaz (An Olympic gold medalist) as the underdog because he has fought at a much higher level and that was shown in the fight as Diaz had a straight forward UD given to him.

As to the main event. There are pockets of brilliance where Wilder looks downright frightening. The double and triple left hooks which he mixed up to the head and body with sick speed. He's got a sharp boxing brain and sets his opponents up for crunching short shot

But he can be so sloppy in there. At times his movement is lazy and I'm not sure if he's unfocused or uncoordinated. That's part of what makes his fights such fun viewing.

Areola never used feints against Wilder. The only time I actually saw Areola using it, Wilder panicked. But generally Areola walked in slowly towards Wilder, so slowly that even a slug would have had enough time to avoid his shots.

Areola was never gonna be an athlete and what he lacked in skill he made up for in heart. He was never a top fighter yet clearly this was the shell of him having one last hurrah, not a terrible fight on late notice.

[TitoFan]

Rigo says "Nobody wants to fight me everyone scared of me"

So what does he do ? Wins his next fight by breaking his next opponents jaw

Yeah that will do it rigo

Good post on the boxing night.
This part made me laugh out loud.

[TitoFan]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't think Wilder looked as awkward last night as he's looked in previous fights. Dare I say he's actually improving in his technique and ring generalship. No... he'll never be the world's most consummate boxer, but he's perfectly capable of improvement. That being said, I agree he needs to stop clowning. It's this maddening "style before substance" trend of modern times.

He is just holding the title until AJ flattens him from the sound of your post.

I think AJ poses the most danger to Wilder in the HW division at this moment.

[Dia bando]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't think Wilder looked as awkward last night as he's looked in previous fights. Dare I say he's actually improving in his technique and ring generalship. No... he'll never be the world's most consummate boxer, but he's perfectly capable of improvement. That being said, I agree he needs to stop clowning. It's this maddening "style before substance" trend of modern times.

He is just holding the title until AJ flattens him from the sound of your post.

I think AJ poses the most danger to Wilder in the HW division at this moment.

Yep AJ looks solid and Wilder is finding the opponents just don't fall over when you hit them.
The HW are now worth watching as before with the Klits it was dull as dishwater.

[Batman]

Good night of boxing

Guillermo Rigoondeaux ? Boxing should be ashamed of itself in how they are treating this guy. Rigo is the purest of pure boxer and for better or worse, no one fights like him. I'd never miss a chance to watch him fight.

Rigo says "Nobody wants to fight me everyone scared of me"

So what does he do ? Wins his next fight by breaking his next opponents jaw

Yeah that will do it rigo

Nobody seems to notice that Rigs kept his word and stood right in front of the Dickens the whole time. When Rigs moved forward, Dickens often retreated. Guys seem to completely freeze and stop throwing when they get in there with Rigo. He gets them shook.

What many people don't realize is that Rigo is a shit talker. He's a bit shy and socially awkward but what every Spanish-speaker says is true. It would be great if he spoke English. Rigo can talk trash. And he can back it up. The guy packs dynamite. Rigo obviously doesn't go out of his way to fight, but watch out if he opens up. The guy will bust you up.

The good news for him is 122 has a lot of young undefeated contenders like Rey Vargas and Moises Flores who need to make names for themselves and aren't being protected and micromanaged. Plus Quigg has an L and is probably more willing now.

If he can just stay active like GGG the bigger fights will come to him. With Chocolatito at 115 now that fight is becoming more realistic. They weigh the same on fight night already and it seems Roman is moving up every year. But time is running out on Rigo. He's old, just not too old...yet. That Chocolatito fight would have to happen soon

No one will beat him but father time or a really big weight mismatch, but it's looking likely that we will never see another big name ala Doniare again ..... shame...

After watching Rigos last two or three fights I got the feeling that as you say father time may have been catching up with him.

It was a shame that Jazza got his jaw broke, it would have been nice for the UK fans to see a few rounds of Rigo.
Tactics wise I think Jazza was doing well in the 1 and a half rounds that he was in the fight for, he was doing everything he possible could, as I say if it wasnt for that one punch the fight would have lasted a said while longer because Jazza wasn't committing too much.

Jazza was never going to win but I think it was a shame for the kid to go out so soon, 9 times out of 10 that would have just been a great punch, this time it was a fucking superb shot.

I hope Rigo does come back in September, any ideas who would be in line to fight him from the UK?

[Spicoli]

Woooow How the mighty have fallen.

Vic just brutally starched off of one sweeping right punch..10 count

Well that fuckin sucks.

So Wilder looked mediocre even in dominating?

In terms of rounds he dominated but I see him mediocre in terms of the real estate he gives up and specifically his posture when falling into the ropes with a guy who didn't have to 'work' his way in. Chris and others just bulled in and Wilder is still and repeatedly doing this awful thing where he basically puts his arms out and at times agrees to wrestle or fling his head around like he is being sprayed with a hose. The range is gone in an instant and his footwork crosses more often than not. I've said it from day one that it looks like a guy who never had to improve a flawed mobile defense while facing a Chinese menu of soft cans coming up and now it's a flaw that has been learned and part of him now. In large gaps its that scattered backing out as well as whirlwind delivery that leaves him as vulnerable as it does an opponent actually working his way in with top notch set up and jab..something he still has not had to face. Any and all improvement will have to happen on the job against far better opposition..we hope..and I can't even call it "amateur" traits. Its this off jumble of rawness really and resting on knowing he has pop. I see a guy like Joshua with amateur tendencies. Something that can be adjusted and the professionalism, sharpness to then add to the void. Course correction. Wilder did well to bust Chris up. He is indeed exciting but he still, to me, resembles a guy whistling past the graveyard. Eventually it will catch up in devastating fashion.

[palmerq]

I may be in the minority here, but I don't think Wilder looked as awkward last night as he's looked in previous fights. Dare I say he's actually improving in his technique and ring generalship. No... he'll never be the world's most consummate boxer, but he's perfectly capable of improvement. That being said, I agree he needs to stop clowning. It's this maddening "style before substance" trend of modern times.

I tihnk you might be right, I thought wilder looked fairly good last night, he is not a super talent at all but he was looking better than he has before, although it could have just been arreola who was pretty slow and has taken a lot of damage since he fought vitali. I thought wilders jab was improved but still not smooth or brilliant, it's pretty impressive how much power he can generate from not the best positions too.... I thought he was getting pushed around a bit too easily and wasnt being smart enough dealing with arreola when he was pushing him up against the ropes... not bad from wilder though. It does make him pretty fun to watch though.

I think wilder would have a lot more problems with fury than he would v joshua.. Fury is very good at grappling and bullying guys and I think he would just wear wilder out with ease, I dont think wilder has much of a chance v fury but I think that he has a chance v joshua.

[SlimTrae]

Maybe fans want in Wilder what he just isn't: consummate boxer?


Maybe he is the Marcos Maidana of HWs?
Some guys make it to the top best way they can. I haven't given up on Wilder improving technically. Rather I just except what we see is what we got.

I'm not watching Wilder to grade technique. I'm watching because he is just powerful, exciting, entertaining and yes, susceptible. As flawed as he is...36 stopped out of 37. 3 defense.

Just to compare...
Decided to look at the first three title defense of those we consider great, pretty interesting...

Evander Holyfield ---Forman, Cooper, Holmes. 2 has beens and a recovering addict that dropped Holy.

Lennox Lewis --Bruno, Jackson & McCall who was Tyson sparring partner..he stopped Lennox. Jackson never improved, Bruno proved volatile.

Rocky Marciano --Walcott, Lastarzza, Charles, (Jersey was in his 23rd year, Lastarza would lose 4 of his next 5 fights. And Ezzard was in his 14th year & was 2-2 going into the Marciano fight. His last fight in 1955 against Archie Moore whose first fight was 1935.

Wilder- Molina, Duhaupas, Spitzka, Arreola....pretty bland...but not so different from who?

1980s HW champs post Holmes pre Tyson couldn't defend 2 times before losing.

[ross]

On your last sentance. Hoe far down any indipendant ranking system like a boxrec where they defending agsinst though?

Wilders must have been hovering around the top 50 mark and not the top 20.

[Hulk]

Woooow How the mighty have fallen.

Vic just brutally starched off of one sweeping right punch..10 count

Well that fuckin sucks.

So Wilder looked mediocre even in dominating?

In terms of rounds he dominated but I see him mediocre in terms of the real estate he gives up and specifically his posture when falling into the ropes with a guy who didn't have to 'work' his way in. Chris and others just bulled in and Wilder is still and repeatedly doing this awful thing where he basically puts his arms out and at times agrees to wrestle or fling his head around like he is being sprayed with a hose. The range is gone in an instant and his footwork crosses more often than not. I've said it from day one that it looks like a guy who never had to improve a flawed mobile defense while facing a Chinese menu of soft cans coming up and now it's a flaw that has been learned and part of him now. In large gaps its that scattered backing out as well as whirlwind delivery that leaves him as vulnerable as it does an opponent actually working his way in with top notch set up and jab..something he still has not had to face. Any and all improvement will have to happen on the job against far better opposition..we hope..and I can't even call it "amateur" traits. Its this off jumble of rawness really and resting on knowing he has pop. I see a guy like Joshua with amateur tendencies. Something that can be adjusted and the professionalism, sharpness to then add to the void. Course correction. Wilder did well to bust Chris up. He is indeed exciting but he still, to me, resembles a guy whistling past the graveyard. Eventually it will catch up in devastating fashion.

Thanks I'll have to watch the fight. He's still raw and in love with power it seems.

Impressive he dominated and stopped Arreola I feel. Good wins now over Stiverne and Arreola, tho I am very big on Joshua, those are two more known commodities than he has defeated yet.

Figure Wilder can n probably will hurt Joshua, but probably still get stopped himself. Watxhed that Dillian Whyte fight the other day n showed Joshua is human. He's also tough and smart enough to improve.

[SlimTrae]

On your last sentance. Hoe far down any indipendant ranking system like a boxrec where they defending agsinst though?

Wilders must have been hovering around the top 50 mark and not the top 20.

Hhmmm...I don't know where they rank..50 could be!
I was just acknowledging that the legends werent fighting prime young or undefeated.
Does the McCall that stopped Lennox, stop Arreola?
Does the Cooper that drop Holy, drop Duaupas?
Could be. I think Wilder will do as those before him..start fighting ranked fighters we respect around title defense 4-5.
Again Povetkin failed to make a legit titlist.

[El Kabong]

Wilder picked up some injuries in that bout and will now face a long layoff (surprise) which will of course see him come back to fight another nobody (surprise) before getting back to fighting actual contenders for his title.

Part of me is ok with how slow Wilder has taken his career, but another part of me wants to see him test himself.

I think Wilder-Joshua is the next big time fight us boxing fans really want to see, I only hope it's built up well and made quickly so that there can be rematches should either fighter deserve or earn one at a later date.