Freddie Roach great trainer: Overated, Underated or Truly Great?

[erics44]

How many of those guys did he teach? Mostly he gets finished products and then gets them ready for fights.
I think that, if you took a survey, the top reason fighters get sent to Wild Card is not a few rounds a week on mitts with Freddie. The main reason is access to top level sparring.

yeah but that's what Freddie has built


they come to Freddie's gym for the sparring


that adds to his trainer ability doesn't it?

[Ron Swanson]

How many of those guys did he teach? Mostly he gets finished products and then gets them ready for fights.
I think that, if you took a survey, the top reason fighters get sent to Wild Card is not a few rounds a week on mitts with Freddie. The main reason is access to top level sparring.

yeah but that's what Freddie has built


they come to Freddie's gym for the sparring


that adds to his trainer ability doesn't it?

That was what Freddie inherited. Freddie was the underling. Eddie Futch is the legend Freddie's career was built on.

[Hulk]

How many of those guys did he teach? Mostly he gets finished products and then gets them ready for fights.
I think that, if you took a survey, the top reason fighters get sent to Wild Card is not a few rounds a week on mitts with Freddie. The main reason is access to top level sparring.

yeah but that's what Freddie has built


they come to Freddie's gym for the sparring


that adds to his trainer ability doesn't it?

That was what Freddie inherited. Freddie was the underling. Eddie Futch is the legend Freddie's career was built on.

I don't believe he inherited all of that. He respectfully learned all he could from Futch and good ol Mickey Rourke bought Freddie that gym with his fuck money.

Freddie is a great trainer and all greats are sought out by star fighters in hopes of making them just a little better. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

[Ron Swanson]

How many of those guys did he teach? Mostly he gets finished products and then gets them ready for fights.
I think that, if you took a survey, the top reason fighters get sent to Wild Card is not a few rounds a week on mitts with Freddie. The main reason is access to top level sparring.

yeah but that's what Freddie has built


they come to Freddie's gym for the sparring


that adds to his trainer ability doesn't it?

That was what Freddie inherited. Freddie was the underling. Eddie Futch is the legend Freddie's career was built on.

I don't believe he inherited all of that. He respectfully learned all he could from Futch and good ol Mickey Rourke bought Freddie that gym with his fuck money.

Freddie is a great trainer and all greats are sought out by star fighters in hopes of making them just a little better. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Freddie did his thing but he started out getting good fighters because people thought "he learned from Futch so he must be great". Truth is if you look at years Freddie won trainer of the year you will notice those years line up with when he trained great fighters and that is not a coincidence at all. Great trainers make many good fighters, great fighters make good trainers look like great trainers. Think of how Steward built his name, same thing. If you have great fighters you look great.

[SlimTrae]

How many of those guys did he teach? Mostly he gets finished products and then gets them ready for fights.
I think that, if you took a survey, the top reason fighters get sent to Wild Card is not a few rounds a week on mitts with Freddie. The main reason is access to top level sparring.

yeah but that's what Freddie has built


they come to Freddie's gym for the sparring


that adds to his trainer ability doesn't it?

That was what Freddie inherited. Freddie was the underling. Eddie Futch is the legend Freddie's career was built on.

I don't believe he inherited all of that. He respectfully learned all he could from Futch and good ol Mickey Rourke bought Freddie that gym with his fuck money.

Freddie is a great trainer and all greats are sought out by star fighters in hopes of making them just a little better. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Freddie did his thing but he started out getting good fighters because people thought "he learned from Futch so he must be great". Truth is if you look at years Freddie won trainer of the year you will notice those years line up with when he trained great fighters and that is not a coincidence at all. Great trainers make many good fighters, great fighters make good trainers look like great trainers. Think of how Steward built his name, same thing. If you have great fighters you look great.

Great points all sides.
The Manny Steward factor is where/how i would say Emmanuel is better than Freddie.
Tommy Hearns Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko all developed a skill set. Similar in style. Reach and use of jab.
Freddie doesnt seem to have a standout regiment that develops an identified style.

Yet as said above....his gym totally outranks Kronk gym.

Could Freddie have spread himself too thin? Someone would get lesser time....and pay for it.

[greynotsoold]

Between Futch and fame, Freddie worked at a gym in La Habra, CA, in the Mexican neighborhood there. Baby Joe Ruelas fought out of there, I believe, and an Asian guy that has (had?) a boxing technique website.
@El Kabong the Figueroa gym has Omar, a former 'world' champ and his brother, who is 9-0. It was put together with Golden Boy and PBC money.

[SlimTrae]

I'd imagine. Roach's health would have him retire soon. Unless he and PAC are poor hittin' 'em.

When Arum, then recently Roach state they'd like Manny to fight two more times...
I've read many a trainer asking their prized pupil to walk away...its time.
But never read a trainer saying...not now. C'mon, just two more....minimum.
IMO:

Despicable.