Freddie Roach great trainer: Overated, Underated or Truly Great?

[VG_Addict]

Roach is one of the most overrated trainers ever, and last night proved it. Pacquiao got exposed by Floyd, Cotto was looking like a new fighter until he fought Canelo, and now Postol got dominated by Crawford. Know what they all have in common? They all are/were trained by Roach.

If he hadn't found and trained a great talent like Pacquiao, I doubt anyone would even know who he is.

I think Postol should switch to a trainer who has him use his height and reach better, and tightens up his defense.

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Pacquiao was "exposed" by Floyd, that's a good one. No trainer on earth would have led those guys to win those fights, and if Roach had happened to be in the opposite corner he would have gotten some credit. Can't have it both ways.

[J_Undisputed]

did he get out coached or did his fighter get out fought by someone heavier? younger/ fresher? stronger? Sometimes you do all you can but the other guys fighter just has more.

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BoxRec - Brian McIntyre

This is the guy who trains Crawford, I'm sure nobody else could have taught the young man so much about the sweet science

[powerpuncher]

This has been a debate for years. Roach is a pretty good trainer but overrated. With that said, postol wouldn't have beaten Crawford no matter who his trainer was.

[Ron Swanson]

Roach is overrated. That doesn't mean he isn't good though. But he doesn't teach defense and that is half of hit and don't get hit.

He did great with Pacquiao but with Pacs physical gifts he shouldn't have been so predictable. The book has been out on PAC for years and they haven't figured a way around it. Make PAC lead and step back making him overreach then counter. That is why they will choose Vargas. Crawford would counter him to pieces.

[jon09]

In my opinion what makes a great trainer is someone who has trained a fighter or fighters from the ground up to a world title. Steward, Futch and Sdunek have done it and I'm not sure Roach has. I think he is a very good trainer but not quite in the same class as those men.

[mikeeod]

I think Freddie is a great trainer, and definitely don't think he is underrated. James Toney, Manny, and Cotto all fought well with him in their corners. It's like saying Manny Steward wasn't great because Jermain Taylor fought like shit during their time together. Roach, Manny Steward, Eddie Futch, Bouie Fisher, Georgie Benton, brother Naz, and both Mayweathers are/were great trainers. All have had failures, because that is fighting, but all taught pupils a style that brought them to an elite level.

If we are talking overrated boxing trainers my #1 poster boy is Teddy Atlas. He's an overrated commentator in my opinion as well. If we are talking overrated regardless of discipline, I have Steven Seagal as #1 hype job.

[Batman]

I think Freddie is a great trainer, and definitely don't think he is underrated. James Toney, Manny, and Cotto all fought well with him in their corners. It's like saying Manny Steward wasn't great because Jermain Taylor fought like shit during their time together. Roach, Manny Steward, Eddie Futch, Bouie Fisher, Georgie Benton, brother Naz, and both Mayweathers are/were great trainers. All have had failures, because that is fighting, but all taught pupils a style that brought them to an elite level.

If we are talking overrated boxing trainers my #1 poster boy is Teddy Atlas. He's an overrated commentator in my opinion as well. If we are talking overrated regardless of discipline, I have Steven Seagal as #1 hype job.

Teddy atlas is not a trainer

He's a fucking fireman

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[Master]

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[El Kabong]

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That's why you get paid the big bucks

[SlimTrae]

Roach wasn't lucky to get all those top fighters. The top fighters can go to anybody they want, no trainer is going to turn down 10% of ongoing million/multimillion purses. Fighters go to him because he's got a track record of improving upcoming fighters and champions and of having the right gameplan to win fights.

There's no guarantee that just because he worked under Futch he was going to do anything. How many other guys worked under Futch or Dundee or any of the other old school top trainers and got nowhere?

There's no guarantee that Somodio or whoever has worked under Roach is going to do anything either. You've either got it or you haven't.

Good point .but here is another question--Isn't that standard when ANY trainer gets a winning fighter in the spotlight?

Example: Buddy Mcgirt fighter Tarver beats RJJ. Not only was he called trainer of the year...known fighters went his way as a result. Nate Campbell, Jameel McCline, Arturo Gatti.
Did he really improve these guys? Some new fighter at that time..Mike Anchondo I think...
Paulie Malinaggi came and left within 2 fights.

My point is that just like Roach ..with one success story Tarver for McGirt & Pac for Roach. ..is when their training stock...went up.
Who did Roach break out post Pac to validate his expertise? Khan? LOL!
I really liked what I saw of Lateef Kayode live...
Today he has shown no progress.

Im not saying Roach hasn't. . ..just saying, if so; whom else?

Ronnie Shields is another imo. Had a lot of known fighters after Tyson...but as soon as Juan Baby Bull Diaz got a title. ...his stock shot up. Very sought after. End result ..all his fighters got their asses torn of the henges.