If Trump gets stripped at the convention-(DON'T BLAME THE ESTABLISHMENT)

[El Kabong]

Mother Jones NY Magazine and Think Progress....well at least your sources aren't horribly biased

[Kirkland Laing]

Mother Jones NY Magazine and Think Progress....well at least your sources aren't horribly biased

They're full of facts Lyle. They're not opinion pieces. If you'd like to take issue with any of the facts in the articles then go ahead.

[Kirkland Laing]

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...s-which-worked


CEO: We’re leaving Kansas, and Brownback should resign in shame



CEO: We’re leaving Kansas, and Brownback should resign in shame | The Wichita Eagle


Brownback's Abject Tax Policy Failure in KS - The Big Picture

(Wall Street fund manager)


and so on.

[El Kabong]

Mother Jones NY Magazine and Think Progress....well at least your sources aren't horribly biased

They're full of facts Lyle. They're not opinion pieces. If you'd like to take issue with any of the facts in the articles then go ahead.

Oh you expect me to read your links when you won't even watch the videos I post?


The Mother Jones piece is pure speculation and makes the "author" of that article if you can even call him that, he wrote A (singular) paragraph as commentary on an interview Trump did with the Washington Post which has burned it's bridge with Donald Trump so could he have been misquoted or taken out of context by the Washington Post reporter? Quite possibly. Or could Trump have just said something off the cuff and not thought too hard about it seeing how it's only a hypothetical at this point, yes, that too is quite likely.

I've got no idea why you would like to discuss Sam Brownback but whatever, I'll do these as well.
Forbes Welcome

[Kirkland Laing]

Mother Jones NY Magazine and Think Progress....well at least your sources aren't horribly biased

They're full of facts Lyle. They're not opinion pieces. If you'd like to take issue with any of the facts in the articles then go ahead.

Oh you expect me to read your links when you won't even watch the videos I post?


The Mother Jones piece is pure speculation and makes the "author" of that article if you can even call him that, he wrote A (singular) paragraph as commentary on an interview Trump did with the Washington Post which has burned it's bridge with Donald Trump so could he have been misquoted or taken out of context by the Washington Post reporter? Quite possibly. Or could Trump have just said something off the cuff and not thought too hard about it seeing how it's only a hypothetical at this point, yes, that too is quite likely.

I've got no idea why you would like to discuss Sam Brownback but whatever, I'll do these as well.
Forbes Welcome

It's much faster to read things than it is to watch a video.

The Mother Jones article gives direct quotes from a transcript of an interview Trump did, the specific bit was asking him questions about a previous TV interview he did where he said he'd take Iraq's oil.

DIEHL: And could I ask you about ISIS, speaking of making commitments, because you talked recently about possibly sending 20 or 30,000 troops and—
TRUMP: No I didn’t, oh no no no, okay, I know what you’re saying....I didn’t say send 20,000. I said, well the generals are saying you’d need because they, what would it take to wipe out ISIS, I said pretty much exactly this, I said the generals, the military is saying you would need 20- to 30,000 troops, but I didn’t say that I would send them.
DIEHL: If they said that, would you go along with that and send the troops?
TRUMP: I find it hard to go along with—I mention that as an example because it’s so much....We should have never been in Iraq. It...was one of the worst decisions ever made in the history of our country. We then got out badly, then after we got out, I said, “Keep the oil. If we don’t keep it Iran’s going to get it.” And it turns out Iran and ISIS basically—



HIATT: How do you keep it without troops, how do you defend the oil?
TRUMP: You would... You would, well for that— for that, I would circle it. I would defend those areas.
HIATT: With U.S. troops?
TRUMP: Yeah, I would defend the areas with the oil.


Now Lyle, that was realeased as a transcript and also when Trump complaine dhe was misquoted by the dastardly Washington Post in another part of the interview they released the audio recording to prove him wrong. The same thing -- Trump complaining he'd been misquoted or taken out of context followed by the media outlet then releasing the tape to prove he wasn't -- has happened half a dozen times now, most recently last week.

Exactly how has Trunp been misquoted here or taken out of context, hmmm? Especially when he's made this "take the oil" statement about not only Iraq but Syria and Libya on numerous occasions, lots of them on TV! Here are some videos for you to watch:

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...p+take+the+oil


He's been threatening to tkae the oil from various Middle eastern countries for months now. So difficult to claim he's out of contrext or doesn't mane it or whatever.

Also, too, here's a map of where the poil is in Iraq.



That area takes in Basra, Samarra, Najaf, Mosul, Irbil, Baghdad, basically every big Iraqi population centre. You've got to figure the people living there would be a little bit pissed off about the Great Satan invasding them yet again and stealing the source of 95% of their economy. They'd probably need quite a bit of policing. So how many troops to even attempt that? Closer to 200 000 than 20 000.

[Kirkland Laing]

I've got no idea why you would like to discuss Sam Brownback but whatever, I'll do these as well.
Forbes Welcome

I brought Brownback and kansas up because he's helpfully carried out GOP national policies on a local scale so it gives us an idea of what would happen if they were enacted by a 2016 GOP prez.

Here's what Brownback said when he started his tax cutting escapades back in 2012:

Brownback told the Wall Street Journal, “My focus is to create a red-state model that allows the Republican ticket to say, 'See, we've got a different way, and it works.' "

So it's relevant to the discussion of how well a President Trump would succeeed should he get elected and enact a gigantic tax cut.

And despite running up a billion dollar ongoing deficit the best the conservative supply side media can come up with to claim he's really being a success is your article from right supply sider Steve Forbes' outlet which makes up numbers that directly contradict the BLS, the Federal reserve and other US government agencies and offer a link to some one man band operation in Kansas that no longer works -- probably because it's been shredded by reality on the internet and has been mocked and disproved so much they had to take it down.

Here's the reality from Kansas's former budget director. The tax cut on the wealthy has been replaced by tax increases on the rest of Kansas -- they now have the highest sales taxes in the country for instance. Just as happened under Reagan after his huge tax cut followed by twelve tax increases, all on low/middle income people, the tax burden has simply been shifted from high earners to low/middle income earners.:


The income tax cuts of 2012 that continue to wreak havoc on the Kansas budget did not actually yield a reduction in taxes for many Kansans. Lawmakers raised other taxes and fees to partially offset the loss of income tax revenue. The net result: Wealthy Kansans still benefitted, but the overall tax burden for a wide range of working Kansans went up.

The newest shift cropped up at the end of the legislative session. As a result of income tax cuts, Kansas cannot afford enough highway patrol troopers, so legislators passed a bill to raise vehicle registration fees to cover the cost of hiring more.

But that’s a small example of the shift in progress. The following list shows the more consequential changes implemented in the attempt to compensate for income tax cuts:

• Sales tax raised from 5.7% to 6.15% and then raised further to 6.5%
• Renters no longer eligible for homestead property tax refunds
• Food sales tax rebates limited
• Child care income tax credit, along with many other credits, eliminated (for those who still pay income tax)
• Cigarette tax raised
• Many income tax deductions limited (for those who still pay income tax)

The chart below estimates the average net effect of all the tax changes. (The figures come from the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy, which has the best model for measuring these types of changes in any state.)

Kansans with the lowest income have seen their tax burden go up. For middle-income Kansans, it’s been about a wash. Upper-income Kansans, especially those earning more than $500,000 annually, have come out well.

Of course, a sales tax hike takes a far bigger bite out of a small income than a large one. Lower- income Kansans spend a much higher proportion of their resources on food and other items subject to sales tax than wealthy Kansans do. Many states exempt food purchases from sales tax, or at least apply a lower rate. Not Kansas. We now have the highest sales tax rate on food in the nation.

The chart does not even count other kinds of shifts taking place. Property taxes push up as schools and local governments try to react to dwindling state resources. Tuition rises at universities when the state withdraws support. Future taxpayers get saddled with debt because the state borrows to pay for retirement system costs, and borrows through the highway fund to shore up the general fund.

However, even with all this shifting, Kansas remains broke. The hole created by the income tax cuts has been so significant that shifts to other tax sources have not come close to stabilizing the state’s finances.

Income tax cuts benefitted the wealthiest Kansans, but without any obligation to create a job or even spend their tax savings in Kansas. In return, the state received financial turmoil. Many Kansans now pay more to fund state government at the same time that school class sizes go up, and highway maintenance gets put aside.

If you are a Kansan and do not feel like you’ve had a tax cut, that’s because you probably did not get one.

[SlimTrae]

i am asking you Kirkland: Please deal with this topic--delegates, establishment, then relate it to Trump.

You and Kabong have enough threads that have gone astray.

[Kirkland Laing]

i am asking you Kirkland: Please deal with this topic--delegates, establishment, then relate it to Trump.

You and Kabong have enough threads that have gone astray.

Well he didn't get stripped did he. So that's that. How many threads here ever stay on topic?

[El Kabong]

....Oh look Kirkland posted a graph

[SlimTrae]

i am asking you Kirkland: Please deal with this topic--delegates, establishment, then relate it to Trump.

You and Kabong have enough threads that have gone astray.

Well he didn't get stripped did he. So that's that. How many threads here ever stay on topic?

None do Kirk
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