Quote Originally Posted by SlimTrae View Post
Good point .but here is another question--Isn't that standard when ANY trainer gets a winning fighter in the spotlight?

Example: Buddy Mcgirt fighter Tarver beats RJJ. Not only was he called trainer of the year...known fighters went his way as a result. Nate Campbell, Jameel McCline, Arturo Gatti.
Did he really improve these guys? Some new fighter at that time..Mike Anchondo I think...
Paulie Malinaggi came and left within 2 fights.

My point is that just like Roach ..with one success story Tarver for McGirt & Pac for Roach. ..is when their training stock...went up.
Who did Roach break out post Pac to validate his expertise? Khan? LOL!
I really liked what I saw of Lateef Kayode live...
Today he has shown no progress.

Im not saying Roach hasn't. . ..just saying, if so; whom else?

Ronnie Shields is another imo. Had a lot of known fighters after Tyson...but as soon as Juan Baby Bull Diaz got a title. ...his stock shot up. Very sought after. End result ..all his fighters got their asses torn of the henges.
I remember a lot of fighters flocking to Roach and not really getting much from him. Wladimir had him as a trainer/adviser for maybe a fight or two right before the Sanders loss but the style didn't suit Wlad I guess. Roach and Fritz Sdunek trained fairly similar styles actually...all out attack, fighting out of a crouch. But I think Sdunek would adapt his training to the individual fighters as Vitali his main guy didn't fight out of a crouch at all, quite the opposite.


McGirt and Shields have had their successes in waves...they'll help a few guys out and then suffer some losses and they never hang on to their talent. McGirt extended Gatti's career and got him a big money fight vs Floyd. Shields got a guy like Rocky Juarez to over achieve. But look at McGirt with Tarver in the fights after RJJ, where was the master tactician then? And similarly, when someone keeps a Roach fighter from giving 100% in attack they lose....JMM has taught us that lesson time and time again.