Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook

[imp]

Great Black Fighters In The Prime Rarely Lose To White Fighters

That's just historical fact.

The last time a that happened. You'd have back to when Max Schmeling beating Joe Louis, 80 years ago, in 1936. That is the last time you can say a genuine great black fighter (In his prime) lost to a white fighter. There have been a few borderline cases Marciano beating Ezzard Charles. But ~i can't think of any in recent history

And I would not even say Brook is a great fighter (Yet) But I do know the GGG hype train will come to end on Sep 10th. Triple G is not that good. And many people will be surprised at just how easy it is for Brook.

Oh for gods sake Keith, fuck off back to off topic and keep your bull shit in there.

fucking boring you are mate.

Your post doesn't even make sense, as far as I know neither Kell Brook or GGG are black.

Kell brook is black but that's irrelevant.

JC beat plenty of black guys and left the sport undefeated..every culture usually has a different type of style but only the best win.

Ignoring the colour of both fighters this fight is absolutely pathetic.

Ward was screaming for GGG awhile ago and because he was such a pussy, ward stepped up to fight Kovalev.

Do I blame GGG for ducking ward..yes..but I also understand business and I understand that GGG wants to get a massive payday with canelo and unify the decision.

So to summarise, GGG and canelo are pussies for slightly different reasons but Ward is fearless and willing to fight anyone..and kells opposition has been awful since porter.

[Fenster]

The ring walk is scheduled for 10.30

[X]

Kell brook is black but that's irrelevant.

Moving away from Denilsons ridiculous and moronic attempt at trolling, and agreeing with you that it's pretty irrelevant anyway .... but Brooke has a white English parent and a black West Indian parent.

I would think that makes him mixed race. It's a bit of a pathetic distinction but I don't think he could be called technically 'white' or 'black'.

It's interesting that the existence of a small part of 'black' in someone seems to make them black people. Barack Obama for example, the 'first black US president' is half white. Sometimes I do wonder what the required magical percentage of blackness is whereby someone stops Being white and becomes black.

Incidentally, most of the human race is genetically mixed race. Most Europeans (and therefore white Americans) have elements of Asian DNA, most black Caribbeans and Americans have elements of European DNA. Most South Americans have elements of European DNA.

In fact, the most racially 'pure' peoples on the planet are likely Africans and Asians.

What a mess we make of the world because of these minute traces of mitochondrial DNA. I am sorry to say that it seems our American cousins are very fixated on this..

[Master]

The ring walk is scheduled for 10.30

The fight will end before 11.

[powerpuncher]

Kell brook is black but that's irrelevant.

Moving away from Denilsons ridiculous and moronic attempt at trolling, and agreeing with you that it's pretty irrelevant anyway .... but Brooke has a white English parent and a black West Indian parent.

I would think that makes him mixed race. It's a bit of a pathetic distinction but I don't think he could be called technically 'white' or 'black'.

It's interesting that the existence of a small part of 'black' in someone seems to make them black people. Barack Obama for example, the 'first black US president' is half white. Sometimes I do wonder what the required magical percentage of blackness is whereby someone stops Being white and becomes black.

Incidentally, most of the human race is genetically mixed race. Most Europeans (and therefore white Americans) have elements of Asian DNA, most black Caribbeans and Americans have elements of European DNA. Most South Americans have elements of European DNA.

In fact, the most racially 'pure' peoples on the planet are likely Africans and Asians.

What a mess we make of the world because of these minute traces of mitochondrial DNA. I am sorry to say that it seems our American cousins are very fixated on this..

Most people are considered what they look like. Brook looks black so he is labeled as black. Some athletes who are 50/50 are considered white because they look white. It's weird.

[Dark Lord Al]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

[Master]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

[Dean Duke]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

TBH Master hoping he wins but thats the old romantic in me, head says nine rounds max and for 3mil I don't blame him.

[powerpuncher]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

I disagree. He is only brave because he is black

[powerpuncher]

I just remembered that this is on normal HBO. No PPV over here in the US. Sorry Brits.

[Dark Lord Al]

I just remembered that this is on normal HBO. No PPV over here in the US. Sorry Brits.

Don't be sorry its only around £ 20 , chump change.

[Dark Lord Al]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

Is that how you see it Master ?

[X]

Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.

It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.

BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.

Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.

Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.

I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.

I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.

[Gandalf]

I will be supporting Brook as I cannot resist an underdog, but my head says he gets flattened in 6 rounds. Brook might start quick, but once he feels the power, he will be questioning what he is doing and I can see it being downhill from there. Golovkin is an all round fighter and has taken punches and dished out a lot more at the weight. He seldom goes the distance. I don't see what Brook has to stop that run of destruction.

[Beanz]

Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.

It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.

BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.

Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.

Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.

I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.

I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.

Great post. I am gutted because I will be working and probably miss this whole card. Golovkin will engage and I think be quite surprised when Brook walks him on to a few. I don't think the GGG camp are bluffing when they say they say they are not underestimating Brook though and will have prepared the Khazak not to have things all his own way. With cute timing you can tag Golovkin but Brook has to be wary of hanging in that pocket throwing combinations that would slow down a lesser fighter, if he does that then he could be in for an early knee or worse. Can the Ingles pull the leash just enough to keep Brook keen but controlled? Despite all his seeming lack of obvious flaws GGG's weakness may well prove to be his desire for Drama and the big finish. Can Brook lure him onto something whilst he is going for that finish? I think Brook will hit and move, hit and move, rinse and repeat, Golovkin will not find it as easy to cut the ring off as against many of the other fighters he has faced.