Gennady Golovkin vs. Kell Brook

[X]

Kell brook is black but that's irrelevant.

Moving away from Denilsons ridiculous and moronic attempt at trolling, and agreeing with you that it's pretty irrelevant anyway .... but Brooke has a white English parent and a black West Indian parent.

I would think that makes him mixed race. It's a bit of a pathetic distinction but I don't think he could be called technically 'white' or 'black'.

It's interesting that the existence of a small part of 'black' in someone seems to make them black people. Barack Obama for example, the 'first black US president' is half white. Sometimes I do wonder what the required magical percentage of blackness is whereby someone stops Being white and becomes black.

Incidentally, most of the human race is genetically mixed race. Most Europeans (and therefore white Americans) have elements of Asian DNA, most black Caribbeans and Americans have elements of European DNA. Most South Americans have elements of European DNA.

In fact, the most racially 'pure' peoples on the planet are likely Africans and Asians.

What a mess we make of the world because of these minute traces of mitochondrial DNA. I am sorry to say that it seems our American cousins are very fixated on this..

[powerpuncher]

Kell brook is black but that's irrelevant.

Moving away from Denilsons ridiculous and moronic attempt at trolling, and agreeing with you that it's pretty irrelevant anyway .... but Brooke has a white English parent and a black West Indian parent.

I would think that makes him mixed race. It's a bit of a pathetic distinction but I don't think he could be called technically 'white' or 'black'.

It's interesting that the existence of a small part of 'black' in someone seems to make them black people. Barack Obama for example, the 'first black US president' is half white. Sometimes I do wonder what the required magical percentage of blackness is whereby someone stops Being white and becomes black.

Incidentally, most of the human race is genetically mixed race. Most Europeans (and therefore white Americans) have elements of Asian DNA, most black Caribbeans and Americans have elements of European DNA. Most South Americans have elements of European DNA.

In fact, the most racially 'pure' peoples on the planet are likely Africans and Asians.

What a mess we make of the world because of these minute traces of mitochondrial DNA. I am sorry to say that it seems our American cousins are very fixated on this..

Most people are considered what they look like. Brook looks black so he is labeled as black. Some athletes who are 50/50 are considered white because they look white. It's weird.

[Dark Lord Al]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

[Master]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

[Dean Duke]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

TBH Master hoping he wins but thats the old romantic in me, head says nine rounds max and for 3mil I don't blame him.

[Dark Lord Al]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

Is that how you see it Master ?

[X]

Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.

It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.

BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.

Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.

Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.

I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.

I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.

[Gandalf]

I will be supporting Brook as I cannot resist an underdog, but my head says he gets flattened in 6 rounds. Brook might start quick, but once he feels the power, he will be questioning what he is doing and I can see it being downhill from there. Golovkin is an all round fighter and has taken punches and dished out a lot more at the weight. He seldom goes the distance. I don't see what Brook has to stop that run of destruction.

[Beanz]

Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.

It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.

BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.

Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.

Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.

I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.

I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.

Great post. I am gutted because I will be working and probably miss this whole card. Golovkin will engage and I think be quite surprised when Brook walks him on to a few. I don't think the GGG camp are bluffing when they say they say they are not underestimating Brook though and will have prepared the Khazak not to have things all his own way. With cute timing you can tag Golovkin but Brook has to be wary of hanging in that pocket throwing combinations that would slow down a lesser fighter, if he does that then he could be in for an early knee or worse. Can the Ingles pull the leash just enough to keep Brook keen but controlled? Despite all his seeming lack of obvious flaws GGG's weakness may well prove to be his desire for Drama and the big finish. Can Brook lure him onto something whilst he is going for that finish? I think Brook will hit and move, hit and move, rinse and repeat, Golovkin will not find it as easy to cut the ring off as against many of the other fighters he has faced.

[Master]

Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.

It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.

BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.

Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.

Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.

I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.

I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.

@Batman he spells Brook as Brooke. Tell him off.

[X]

Well, I am getting quite excited about this fight.

It's true that Brooke is not only taking the toughest assignment in boxing today, but also doing it never having fought at the weight before. I understand why GGG is the prohibitive favourite as he has now reached the stage in his career when he becomes a 'crossover' fighter and attains almost mythical status within the sport while still fighting. Floyd was the same, so was Tyson, Leonard, Chavez, Curry and others.

BUT .... I've always rated Brooke as a fighter. He has elements of that very confusing Wincobank style but can also really dig with his punches. Carson Jones apart, which I think was a training aberration, he has never been really pushed in the ring and I don't think we've seen the best of him yet. He has never been outboxed or physically bullied and doesn't know what it's like to lose. He has a proven chin, proven stamina and proven skills.

Undeniably the best welterweight in the world at the moment, I believe he has always been a middleweight starving down to welter. I wouldn't be surprised if he is heavier that GGG when the bell rings. He is more heavyset that Golovkin and (not that it matters) he is more muscle bound and looks like a boxer whereas GGG is gangly and - in today's terms - a small middleweight. People are also not mentioning that GGG is not a young man anymore.

Brooke will be the best opponent that Golovkin has ever fought, fighting at home and without much pressure on him to win.

I do think GGG should be the favourite, and I am a fan of the guy .... but it's possible that Brooke is being underestimated by everyone.

I think the key will be whether Brooke can keep Golovkin respectful of him. Kel will land on GGG, no question about it. If Golovkin finds he can walk through Brooke's offence then it's all over. Conversely, everyone thinks Brooke's only chance is to outbox Golovkin .... 350 amateur fights with great Khazak trainers (his style was that of a back foot counterpuncher at the time)world and Olympic medals etc ... I would love Brooke to really stun GGG and the fight to turn into a boxing match. Casual fans would moan, but I would love to see If GGG can also win with his skills.

Well, I sort of got bits right. GGG just swarmed Brook (note spelling) and walked through everything he threw. It's true that Kell tagged Golovkin a few times, but it was like blowing peas at a tank. I really rate Golovkins footwork, he just cut the ring right down and didn't give Brook any room to rest or breathe.

By the fourth, Brook was getting a real pasting. There was no point letting him take more punishment (those who say different shouldn't call themselves boxing fans. If you want to see someone get executed in the ring, it should cost more than £19.95)

[Master]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

Is that how you see it Master ?

Yes and it is not chump change. It is robbery.

[Dark Lord Al]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

Is that how you see it Master ?

Yes and it is not chump change. It is robbery.

You want me to give you the 20 quid you tight git ?

[Kirkland Laing]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

Or he is just taking the pay check for this suicide mission?

Is that how you see it Master ?

Yes and it is not chump change. It is robbery.

Sky are accepting either Green Shield stamps or Embassy coupons in lieu of actual money if you want to get in touch. Phone
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[powerpuncher]

Brook , black or white he had courage and confidence to take on GGG.
He didn't talk about it he signed on the dotted line , its likely he will get blasted out early but he had shown he is a true warrior.

I disagree. He is only brave because he is black