How would a Prime Cotto and Margarito do vs todays Elite Welterweights

[erics44]

there are two threads around at the minute that really get my goat

the price or molina thread and this one

on the other thread people argue Teper would have definitely beaten price, peds or no peds despite his failure being one of the worse in history, and on this thread someone mentions margarito and everyone is in full agreement that he'd have been shit if it wasn't for the loaded gloves

Jesus wept

It's the way the fights went that leads people to think that. Price clearly was terrified of getting hit and got starched very early with one punch he left himself wide open for, attrition played virtually no role in that fight. It's possible Teper wouldn't have even been capable of fighting 2 spirited rounds without drugs, I've never seen him aside from that night, but it' also fair to assume Price was garbage and would have probably lost to anyone decent.

a little harsh

do you think Teper would have got as far as he did without drugs? do you think the teper price fight would still have happened? what about martin rogan? how do you think he feels about it?

how about Margarito? what would have his career been like without the loaded gloves

[Ron Swanson]

Margarito would have been crap without his loaded gloves. We have 7 years of evidence. He has not won a single significant fight since his weapons were taken away. Every good fighter he has fought has beat the crap out of him. Because that's all he was, a guy with horrible footwork and an ability to take a punch. I'm not moronic enough to believe in hell but if i did believe in such stupid things I would be sure there is a spot set aside for him.

[erics44]

Margarito would have been crap without his loaded gloves. We have 7 years of evidence. He has not won a single significant fight since his weapons were taken away. Every good fighter he has fought has beat the crap out of him. Because that's all he was, a guy with horrible footwork and an ability to take a punch. I'm not moronic enough to believe in hell but if i did believe in such stupid things I would be sure there is a spot set aside for him.

but teper would have still got to the point where he was when he KOed price? never mind KOing Price?

[p4pking]

there are two threads around at the minute that really get my goat

the price or molina thread and this one

on the other thread people argue Teper would have definitely beaten price, peds or no peds despite his failure being one of the worse in history, and on this thread someone mentions margarito and everyone is in full agreement that he'd have been shit if it wasn't for the loaded gloves

Jesus wept

It's the way the fights went that leads people to think that. Price clearly was terrified of getting hit and got starched very early with one punch he left himself wide open for, attrition played virtually no role in that fight. It's possible Teper wouldn't have even been capable of fighting 2 spirited rounds without drugs, I've never seen him aside from that night, but it' also fair to assume Price was garbage and would have probably lost to anyone decent.

a little harsh

do you think Teper would have got as far as he did without drugs? do you think the teper price fight would still have happened? what about martin rogan? how do you think he feels about it?

how about Margarito? what would have his career been like without the loaded gloves

As I said I haven't seen Teper aside from that fight, so no idea, but I suspect he wasn't very formidable fighter even on drugs, and he really never got anywhere anyways did he. I understand the inconsistency you're pointing out and don't disagree in principle, but the way he beat Price still makes the big guy look very poor. Using another crap fighter in Rogan to make your argument doesn't really provide any contrast. We'll see what happens if/when Price fights another decent opponent, I guess.