WHO wins on November 8th??

[Kirkland Laing]

It looks like he's going to try and privatise public buildings and structures.

With the 400,000 lobbyists he's installing in his cabinet? This melt down of yours is a beautiful thing to witness.


As for $478B Infrastructure Bill Blocked by Senate GOP...Obama already wasted over $380 billion on "infrastructure spending" was that not enough? Did Wittle Barry need more How much more? Just that near $500 billion or did he want to add on more after that as well? And pray tell how would President Obama suggest paying for all of that....or do you only care about deficits when a Republican is in office?

A $53 billion investment in high-speed rail....yeah because there's nothing Americans love more than riding trains



If the Congressional Republicans blocked all of this stuff then where were the blockades to it in Obama's first two years in office when the Democrats held majorities in both the House and Senate



You are just spiraling out of control here Kirk....it's hilarious to watch, but I do worry. You take care of yourself

If I'm having a meltdown then less than twelve hours after Barack Hussein Obama was elected president in 2008 you melted into a puddle. The puddle has since melted so comprehensively that you've turned into antimatter and eventually become your own Obama-shaped, uh, black hole. I have yet, Lyle, to start a single thread containing hundreds of posts criticising Trump. I have yet to post an anti-Trump video. I reckon I'm about a couple of thousand posts and about two million videos behind you. If I ever start criticising Trump at the levels you've spent the last eight years criticising Obama then you can fairly characterise it as a meltdown. A few posts referencing newsworthy items to do with the election aftermath probably doesn't count.

As far as the lobbyist thing goes. The White House is being staffed with 4000 people. Look at the people in charge of the recruiting:

The behind-the-scenes transition operation is being run by Ron Nichol, a senior partner at The Boston Group, a lobbying and management consulting firm where 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney launched his business career.

Ken Blackwell...senior fellow at the Family Research Council...Veteran agribusiness lobbyist Michael Torrey...Energy industry lobbyist Mike McKenna...David Bernhardt...represents mining companies seeking to use resources on federal lands...Lobbyist Steven Hart, who focuses on tax and employee benefits, is leading the transition team for the Labor Department.
Cindy Hayden...top lobbyist for Altria, the parent company of cigarette-maker Philip Morris...Homeland Security Department. Jeff Eisenach, a consultant and former lobbyist...Federal Communications Commission....Michael Korbey...former lobbyist who led President George W. Bush's effort to privatize America's retirement system....Shirley Ybarra...champion of "public-private partnerships" to build toll roads and bridges....Myron Ebell...man-made global warming is a hoax...David Malpass...Bear Stearns' chief economist...Dan DiMicco...former chief executive of steel company NUCOR and a board member at Duke Energy...Former Rep. Mike Rogers...serves on boards for consulting firms IronNet Cybersecurity and Next Century Corp.
Kevin O'Connor...partner at the law firm of close Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani...Jim Carafano...Heritage Foundation's vice president for Foreign and Defense Policy Studies...retired Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg...chief operating officer for Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq...Mira Ricardel...vice president of business development for Boeing Strategic Missile & Defense Systems.

Trump relies on Washington insiders to build administration


A bunch of lobbyists and/or crony capitalists tied to firms that do billions of dollars of business with the federal government. People are policy Lyle. They're going to be employing their brethren and it's going to be business as usual.

If Trump asks fora trillion dollars for infrastructure spending is he going to be wasting the money too? Can we clarify for future reference that any kind of infrastructure spending is a waste of money and needs to be fully funded and can't be deficit spending?

[TitoFan]

I have yet, Lyle, to start a single thread containing hundreds of posts criticising Trump. I have yet to post an anti-Trump video. I reckon I'm about a couple of thousand posts and about two million videos behind you. If I ever start criticising Trump at the levels you've spent the last eight years criticising Obama then you can fairly characterise it as a meltdown.

I'm gonna briefly interject in order to state my total agreement with the above.

[El Kabong]

Oh the Associated Press...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us...race-call.html That AP? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...y-was-looking/ That one?


Hey if Trump does "business as usual" then he won't be in office very long will he? The crowd that voted, the angry mob who quietly went to the polls, pulled the lever for Trump despite being called every name in the book while they did it, they aren't going to just sit back and say "Well go to work Trump" unlike with Barack Obama there will be accountability here. The people are going to get their way...Trump or someone else will be the one to give them that and there will ALWAYS be a someone else.


Trump isn't the leader of the movement that brought him to the White House, don't forget that.

[walrus]

I am happily drinking kirklands tears. The tears of the sjws are like victory to me. Praise glorious leader emperor trump

[Kirkland Laing]

I am happily drinking kirklands tears. The tears of the sjws are like victory to me. Praise glorious leader emperor trump

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1374347


Back when Trump was talking about cracking down on Wall Street and big business, bringing jobs back to America and pushing up American wages I was right behind him. But cracking down on Wall Street turned into scrapping all regulation brought in since 2008 which guarantees if nothing else another 2008-style meltdown. Since then Trump has gone pro-corporation on everything except, possibly, trade. Even his infrastructure plan looks like being a big corporate giveaway. So I'm not so supportive mow.

[El Kabong]

It's a factual article Lyle. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Trump has appointed all those people to head up various departments in the White House.

Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition - POLITICO

Look. Even more lobbyists.

Trump really is the leader of that movement. Take Trump away and you just have standard issue GOP corporate servant politicians to vote for. There's still a chance he could do OK Lyle but it's not looking too good. Huge tax cuts and giveaways for Wall Street and big business, it's looking like a standard GOP administration but on steroids. Let's see what he actually does regarding trade and bringing jobs back to America.

I'm reading POTENTIAL picks and CANDIDATES for this and that, who is locked in?

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1374347


Back when Trump was talking about cracking down on Wall Street and big business, bringing jobs back to America and pushing up American wages I was right behind him. But cracking down on Wall Street turned into scrapping all regulation brought in since 2008 which guarantees if nothing else another 2008-style meltdown. Since then Trump has gone pro-corporation on everything except, possibly, trade. Even his infrastructure plan looks like being a big corporate giveaway. So I'm not so supportive mow.

OR you were always for Hillary or you just don't care because you and "all the smartest guys in the room" back both candidates because you're soooo super smart and wealthy

[Batman]

Ain't you lads bored of this yet?
I don't mean that in a derogatory way, is the election really that important to you lot?

I'm 31 years old and it's never made a fucking scrap of difference who is in charge, labour, tories etc, none of the cunts have done anything to help me in a way that I have ever noticed.

Is it really that different in America?

[vidgil]

Is it really that different in America?

Oh boy are they! The differences between a Trump and Clinton presidency are immeasurable!

I think what has prolonged our joy is the fact that we were lead to believe Trump had no chance of winning. This was a big upset! I'm still smiling about it!

[Kirkland Laing]

It's a factual article Lyle. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Trump has appointed all those people to head up various departments in the White House.

Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition - POLITICO

Look. Even more lobbyists.

Trump really is the leader of that movement. Take Trump away and you just have standard issue GOP corporate servant politicians to vote for. There's still a chance he could do OK Lyle but it's not looking too good. Huge tax cuts and giveaways for Wall Street and big business, it's looking like a standard GOP administration but on steroids. Let's see what he actually does regarding trade and bringing jobs back to America.

I'm reading POTENTIAL picks and CANDIDATES for this and that, who is locked in?

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1374347


Back when Trump was talking about cracking down on Wall Street and big business, bringing jobs back to America and pushing up American wages I was right behind him. But cracking down on Wall Street turned into scrapping all regulation brought in since 2008 which guarantees if nothing else another 2008-style meltdown. Since then Trump has gone pro-corporation on everything except, possibly, trade. Even his infrastructure plan looks like being a big corporate giveaway. So I'm not so supportive mow.

OR you were always for Hillary or you just don't care because you and "all the smartest guys in the room" back both candidates because you're soooo super smart and wealthy

I really wasn't. I'd like to see Bernie Sanders getting sworn in in a couple of months. You ended up with a choice between bad and worse. Even if Trump does do something useful with trade/bringing jobs back it's going to be outweighed by phasing Medicare and social security out but the real crucial thing is deregulating the smartest guys in the room.

Look what happened last time a GOP prez did it. You ended up handing out nearly twelve trillion dollars in bailouts, secret loans and loan guarantees. Luckily you had a sensible Fed chairman who managed to steer the system through the worst of the crisis. By the time we have the next crisis there'll be a Trump pick running the show. That could spell absolute disaster -- too much to go into but it really could mean let's say another twelve plus trillion which next time won't be paid back and a second multitrillion bailout needed on top of that.

So just Trump deregulating Wall Street is a disqualifier. Imagine he does a reasonable job over eight years and is leaving office having done well but then the financial system collapses like the last Bush 43 months in 2008. It would be a really dangerous situation financially, politically and for the survival of a democratic republic.

[El Kabong]

I really wasn't. I'd like to see Bernie Sanders getting sworn in in a couple of months. You ended up with a choice between bad and worse. Even if Trump does do something useful with trade/bringing jobs back it's going to be outweighed by phasing Medicare and social security out but the real crucial thing is deregulating the smartest guys in the room.

Look what happened last time a GOP prez did it. You ended up handing out nearly twelve trillion dollars in bailouts, secret loans and loan guarantees. Luckily you had a sensible Fed chairman who managed to steer the system through the worst of the crisis. By the time we have the next crisis there'll be a Trump pick running the show. That could spell absolute disaster -- too much to go into but it really could mean let's say another twelve plus trillion which next time won't be paid back and a second multitrillion bailout needed on top of that.

So just Trump deregulating Wall Street is a disqualifier. Imagine he does a reasonable job over eight years and is leaving office having done well but then the financial system collapses like the last Bush 43 months in 2008. It would be a really dangerous situation financially, politically and for the survival of a democratic republic.

So you make a great deal of money, or so you say, and you'd like a Socialist to run the United States of America? And who did you support in England? Corbyn?

If Trump was going to deregulate Wall Street soooooo dangerously much then why did Wall Street money back Hillary? Or am I not supposed to ask that question? Are THOSE Wall Street fat cats looking long term? Are we to believe that they are the only ones who are thinking clearly? For some reason I don't buy it Kirkland, you can't tell me that the system is greedy and corrupt but then there are some who are only a 5.5 out of 10 corrupt and they "saw the light" and backed Hillary because she was going to be better in the end.


And you thought Sanders would have accomplished anything positive? You're out of your mind. See how Socialism is totally rocking it right now in Venezuela? People can't even buy toilet paper there. Oh but that would never happen in America because? (and there's the part where you explain why Socialism needs to be tried in America and you say why it wouldn't ruin the entire nation the way it has ruined every other nation that has tried it)

[Gandalf]

Oh the Associated Press...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us...race-call.html That AP? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...y-was-looking/ That one?


Hey if Trump does "business as usual" then he won't be in office very long will he? The crowd that voted, the angry mob who quietly went to the polls, pulled the lever for Trump despite being called every name in the book while they did it, they aren't going to just sit back and say "Well go to work Trump" unlike with Barack Obama there will be accountability here. The people are going to get their way...Trump or someone else will be the one to give them that and there will ALWAYS be a someone else.


Trump isn't the leader of the movement that brought him to the White House, don't forget that.

To counter that though I will argue that though Trump is unusual, he has done it by being a Republican. It's the same old 2 party system and the Republicans are mostly a bunch of corrupt tossers. There won't be another counter culture opportunity for the Republicans or the Democrats as these are two are two sides of the same coin and once Trump is through they will rig it better next time out. I have a hard time seeing a 3rd party rise and really that's what America needs. Jill Stein had really good policies, but she was ignored because she wasn't one of the big two or a celebrity billionaire. If Trump messes up he needs to be held accountable, but to be replaced by what? There is nothing. You have serious issues and judging by the way Trump is trying to finance things the black hole of debt is going to rise exponentially. Then the next crash will come. It's not looking good. It's a shame left and right won't unite in the common interest that is the security and future of America. The same problems are there and are very obvious, but nobody seems to be concerned about that, instead it's about blaming the other 'side'. Kind of daft really.

[Kirkland Laing]

Oh the Associated Press...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us...race-call.html That AP? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...y-was-looking/ That one?


Hey if Trump does "business as usual" then he won't be in office very long will he? The crowd that voted, the angry mob who quietly went to the polls, pulled the lever for Trump despite being called every name in the book while they did it, they aren't going to just sit back and say "Well go to work Trump" unlike with Barack Obama there will be accountability here. The people are going to get their way...Trump or someone else will be the one to give them that and there will ALWAYS be a someone else.


Trump isn't the leader of the movement that brought him to the White House, don't forget that.

It's a factual article Lyle. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Trump has appointed all those people to head up various departments in the White House.

Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition - POLITICO

Look. Even more lobbyists.

Trump really is the leader of that movement. Take Trump away and you just have standard issue GOP corporate servant politicians to vote for. There's still a chance he could do OK Lyle but it's not looking too good. Huge tax cuts and giveaways for Wall Street and big business, it's looking like a standard GOP administration but on steroids. Let's see what he actually does regarding trade and bringing jobs back to America.