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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    Sure, AJ can develop into a great heavyweight but he's going to have to be able to deal with a lot of things in order to achieve that. He needs to keep progressing, he needs to be wary of trap fights, he needs to remain humble, and he needs to know that he can win on the cards or get the KO when he needs it. He'll need to be able to get off the canvas to win, he'll need to be able to avenge losses, and he'll need to be able to put poor performances behind him because not every fight will be a great one from him.



    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Lewis is the best in history, pomp for pomp would have beaten them all

    josh has a long way to go and a lot of questions to answer
    Uh don't you mean Frank Bruno

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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    I think Joshua is very tense when he fights whereas Lewis always looked relaxed and almost under eager at times while maintainting 100% concentration.

    Intelligence has a lot to do with what a fighter becomes and Lewis takes this dept.

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    There's no telling where Joshua will go but he has a long way and a lot of names to go to even be considered alongside Lewis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vendettos View Post
    I think Joshua is very tense when he fights whereas Lewis always looked relaxed and almost under eager at times while maintainting 100% concentration.
    All of this is very true.....although at times Lennox Lewis WAS indeed under eager. Lennox vs Bruno was a lazy Lennox, Lennox vs Briggs started lazy, Lennox vs Rahman I was lazy. That said, Lennox had it in him to have that switch flipped and when he was "ON" he was amazing.

    I do worry about AJ being a bit too stiff, you use up a lot of energy staying that tense. AJ and the fans don't need to worry about how he'd do vs Lennox, they need to wonder how he'll do against Wlad or Wilder or Parker or whomever else.



    And just to note, that kind of thing can/will/and has happened to every fighter in the history of the sport.

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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    At the very least, Lennox is a top 10 ATG HW, and IMO a top 5.

    So like others have said, Joshua has many years of winning ahead of him if he wants to be considered to be at that level. He seems to have all the physical tools one would need.

    I remember when people were talking about Audley Harrison being the next Lennox Lewis, so hopefully he's not another Audley Harrison.

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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    I think AJ will have a longer career and retire in his late 30's so can dominate the division over the long term.
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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.
    AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.
    AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


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    Why the hostility against Kirkland?

    Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.
    AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


    Go fuck yourself
    Which just goes to prove that the current division is just beyond threadbare compared to the Lewis era. Seventeen fights during which you beat possibly the worst beltholder ever for your title and then you're fighting schoolteachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.
    AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


    Go fuck yourself
    I'd actually defend Dixon more than a Mason Within one year he stood and traded with Sanders, Seldon who he had rocked bad, Mercer in a slugfest, McCall and then demolished a top 5 heavyweight.

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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    I wholeheartedly agree with the tense/stiff comments, I hope he will become more fluid and happier on the job.

    I believe that the reason he may be tense is the sheer pressure he is under, or puts himself under. The pressure is immense! In a one to one sport he could either earn hundreds of millions, or become the next David Price, after one silly mistake.

    Hopefully soon he will have an enlightening moment and realise a) I'm better than I thought and b) for someone with my skills this is easy. Then he can relax and get on with it.

    The whole system now, as I keep banging on about, discourages youngsters from going into boxing, where one or two losses basically fucks their career. Nowadays I would encourage athletic grandsons to go tennis/golf/soccer/etc. and not a sport that so wickedly punishes losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuggetdotcom View Post
    I wholeheartedly agree with the tense/stiff comments, I hope he will become more fluid and happier on the job.

    I believe that the reason he may be tense is the sheer pressure he is under, or puts himself under. The pressure is immense! In a one to one sport he could either earn hundreds of millions, or become the next David Price, after one silly mistake.

    Hopefully soon he will have an enlightening moment and realise a) I'm better than I thought and b) for someone with my skills this is easy. Then he can relax and get on with it.

    The whole system now, as I keep banging on about, discourages youngsters from going into boxing, where one or two losses basically fucks their career. Nowadays I would encourage athletic grandsons to go tennis/golf/soccer/etc. and not a sport that so wickedly punishes losers.
    I think Joshua is too musclebound which is why he is tense.
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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    LEWIS was in a tougher division before the dawn of THE dinosaur that made his exit prior to the title holder with the questionable voice and crystal balls. What Joshua needs is a promoter that will show off his skills getting the best to fight him. As of this moment Joshua is climbing that rope and learning his time is now.

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    Default Re: Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

    Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
    Sure, AJ can develop into a great heavyweight but he's going to have to be able to deal with a lot of things in order to achieve that. He needs to keep progressing, he needs to be wary of trap fights, he needs to remain humble, and he needs to know that he can win on the cards or get the KO when he needs it. He'll need to be able to get off the canvas to win, he'll need to be able to avenge losses, and he'll need to be able to put poor performances behind him because not every fight will be a great one from him.



    Quote Originally Posted by erics44 View Post
    Lewis is the best in history, pomp for pomp would have beaten them all

    josh has a long way to go and a lot of questions to answer
    Uh don't you mean Frank Bruno
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