Can Joshua become greater than Lennox?

[Vendettos]

I think Joshua is very tense when he fights whereas Lewis always looked relaxed and almost under eager at times while maintainting 100% concentration.

Intelligence has a lot to do with what a fighter becomes and Lewis takes this dept.

Vendettos View 《--- my new thing
If they faced each other (and they where both Joshuas age now) Lewis would KO or 120-108 him
If they faced each other at the time they both won their first world titles Lewis would KO or 120-108 him

There's no telling where Joshua will go but he has a long way and a lot of names to go to even be considered alongside Lewis

[El Kabong]

I think Joshua is very tense when he fights whereas Lewis always looked relaxed and almost under eager at times while maintainting 100% concentration.

All of this is very true.....although at times Lennox Lewis WAS indeed under eager. Lennox vs Bruno was a lazy Lennox, Lennox vs Briggs started lazy, Lennox vs Rahman I was lazy. That said, Lennox had it in him to have that switch flipped and when he was "ON" he was amazing.

I do worry about AJ being a bit too stiff, you use up a lot of energy staying that tense. AJ and the fans don't need to worry about how he'd do vs Lennox, they need to wonder how he'll do against Wlad or Wilder or Parker or whomever else.



And just to note, that kind of thing can/will/and has happened to every fighter in the history of the sport.

[vidgil]

At the very least, Lennox is a top 10 ATG HW, and IMO a top 5.

So like others have said, Joshua has many years of winning ahead of him if he wants to be considered to be at that level. He seems to have all the physical tools one would need.

I remember when people were talking about Audley Harrison being the next Lennox Lewis, so hopefully he's not another Audley Harrison.

[Master]

I think AJ will have a longer career and retire in his late 30's so can dominate the division over the long term.

[Kirkland Laing]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

[El Kabong]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

[Master]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

Why the hostility against Kirkland?

Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.

[El Kabong]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

Why the hostility against Kirkland?

Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.

Um because he's a pompous asshole....that good enough? In this case he's also terribly wrong.


Mason? I think sparking out Kevin Johnson is a pretty decent win for a fighter's 13th bout. Gary Mason....perhaps a great British boxer, but on the world stage he wasn't anything special.

[Primo Carnera]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

Why the hostility against Kirkland?

Lewis beat Mason very early in his career that trumps AJ.

I'd give Whyte and Brezeale a healthy chance against Mason.

[Kirkland Laing]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

Which just goes to prove that the current division is just beyond threadbare compared to the Lewis era. Seventeen fights during which you beat possibly the worst beltholder ever for your title and then you're fighting schoolteachers.

[Master]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

Which just goes to prove that the current division is just beyond threadbare compared to the Lewis era. Seventeen fights during which you beat possibly the worst beltholder ever for your title and then you're fighting schoolteachers.

Also AJ has not gone more than 7 rounds.

[Spicoli]

He'll never be greater because he doesn't have the same quality of opposition to prove it even if he is. He's several fights into world title level (2010s era world title level) and next up he's fighting a schoolteacher.

AJ is 17 fights into his career....when Lennox Lewis was 20 fight into HIS career he fought the ALL-TIME GREAT then 10-5-0 Mike Dixon


Go fuck yourself

I'd actually defend Dixon more than a Mason Within one year he stood and traded with Sanders, Seldon who he had rocked bad, Mercer in a slugfest, McCall and then demolished a top 5 heavyweight.

[X]

Ha ha, a thread about Joshua and the long long line of illustrious British heavyweights 😜. It's probably true to say they - at the moment he turned pro - AJ was already at least the second best heavyweight in British heavyweight history!

You could even argue he is the best British produced heavyweight of all time, as Lennox learnt to box and was really produced by the Canadian amateur system and then truly created by Manny Steward.

[nuggetdotcom]

I wholeheartedly agree with the tense/stiff comments, I hope he will become more fluid and happier on the job.

I believe that the reason he may be tense is the sheer pressure he is under, or puts himself under. The pressure is immense! In a one to one sport he could either earn hundreds of millions, or become the next David Price, after one silly mistake.

Hopefully soon he will have an enlightening moment and realise a) I'm better than I thought and b) for someone with my skills this is easy. Then he can relax and get on with it.

The whole system now, as I keep banging on about, discourages youngsters from going into boxing, where one or two losses basically fucks their career. Nowadays I would encourage athletic grandsons to go tennis/golf/soccer/etc. and not a sport that so wickedly punishes losers.

[Master]

I wholeheartedly agree with the tense/stiff comments, I hope he will become more fluid and happier on the job.

I believe that the reason he may be tense is the sheer pressure he is under, or puts himself under. The pressure is immense! In a one to one sport he could either earn hundreds of millions, or become the next David Price, after one silly mistake.

Hopefully soon he will have an enlightening moment and realise a) I'm better than I thought and b) for someone with my skills this is easy. Then he can relax and get on with it.

The whole system now, as I keep banging on about, discourages youngsters from going into boxing, where one or two losses basically fucks their career. Nowadays I would encourage athletic grandsons to go tennis/golf/soccer/etc. and not a sport that so wickedly punishes losers.

I think Joshua is too musclebound which is why he is tense.