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The children of baby boomers were more successful than their parents. The millenials are the first in a long time to do worse. Yes factory jobs are leaving the us but new industry has popped up everywhere. The government did poor planning seeing this. I know many babyboomers who did quite well with no reliance on the government. It was the age where you could start out sweeping floors and end up running th company. My father did so and never once took money from the government. He was contacted to study the collapse of the World Trade Center as he was known as a top metallurgist in the country. He did this as I mentioned, by starting out sweeping floors in a factory in Massachusetts . My grandfather grew up in an era where Irish Catholics were not hired due to prejudice but was able to start his own business with success. @denilson200
Your father was able to move up the ladder because he was white. Period.

YES - He work hard and he probably bust his ass, but his hard work was met with an access to opportunity that if he was black would been denied.

Your grandfather was able to move up the ladder because he was white. Period

When the Irish 1st came to America (the mid to late 1800s), they had had almost no experience with blacks. Yet, they had had considerable experience with the English, most all of which had been negative: centuries of overt oppression, virtual enslavement and state terror imposed upon the Irish by Anglos.

Now what you do you think the Irish done when they 1st arrived in the states ?

To make it easy for you - I'll give you two options

1) Do you think the Irish immigrants detested and fought against the Anglo elite ? (Something they were told to do so by their religious leaders in their mother country because they had been the “slaves of the British” for generation)

Or

2) Do you think the Irish immigrants recognised the status differences between those who were white and those who were not, and, desiring to be closer to the top than the bottom, swallowed their pride, joined the club of whiteness and joined in with the oppression of black folks ?

Answer = I'll give you a clue....it's not #1

After a very short time in the states, Irish immigrants were rioting against blacks (as with the New York draft riots during the Civil War), joining in the barring of blacks from labor unions, and seeking to “become white” by assimilating to the white WASP system that was firmly in place.

That's how the white club works.

Same way when the Italians and Jews came to America they were not seen as white at first even though they pretty much looked it.

Only when they showed themselves willing to carry out white club duties (Hate on black people. Have mostly white friends, Marry white. Don't challenge white racism) were they admitted and were able to enjoy its privileges.

Had they kept their culture, married blacks or made common cause with black, they would have stayed at the bottom and would be regarded much as Latinos are now.

Get the F**K out my face with that bootstraps sh*t.
@denilson200 my comments weren't directed to at you. I'm surprised you can take time to type I figure both your hands are full of tissues as you cry about the raw deal u got. I work with a number of African immigrants who I train and they are quite happy to be in the us and say they are treated much better here than in Africa so screw of you hateful ignorant idiot. I know you've never stepped foot in the us and you are full of shit
I don't give a sh*t. You mentioned me in your post