What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?

[El Kabong]

He's never tested positive because he's never truly been tested

And it's true many fighters have bent the rules at times, but the difference is they never made a career out of doing it!

I've followed boxing for 20 years, some people reading this have probably followed for much longer... have you ever heard someone say "Mike Tyson only KO'd all those guys because of elbows" or "Holyfield was only champion because of headbutts".

I'm sure you can find Wlad rounds where he's clinched over 20 times in a single round!

We can argue semantics, but at the end of the day facts are facts: when you have a HW champion who fights like a coward with no honor, who's hugging fighters like he's a shopping mall Santa Claus, people tune out in LARGE numbers!

People would rather visit their in-laws than watch Clinch-ko fart around the ring for 12 rounds

....well obviously he's never been tested and this is coming from an authority on drug testing


Blah blah blah, yes they fucking have and you know damn well they have.


So Wlad was ONLY champ because of the holding? That's your premise?



Did you mean to say people "tune out" or "TURN out" because if you look at the arenas Wlad sold out he had quite a lot of fans show up to his fights......quite a lot. 12.26 million television viewers in Germany for his bout vs Jean Marc Mormeck...I guess the in-laws had RTL

[vidgil]

....well obviously he's never been tested and this is coming from an authority on drug testing


Blah blah blah, yes they fucking have and you know damn well they have.


So Wlad was ONLY champ because of the holding? That's your premise?



Did you mean to say people "tune out" or "TURN out" because if you look at the arenas Wlad sold out he had quite a lot of fans show up to his fights......quite a lot. 12.26 million television viewers in Germany for his bout vs Jean Marc Mormeck...I guess the in-laws had RTL

I honestly believe that if Wlad was not allowed to hug every 12 seconds without penalty, he would have gotten knocked out several times during his run.

He would have been a champ because he is big, skilled and fueled by "German sports science" but he sure as hell wouldn't have gridlocked the HW division for so long.

And drug testing has been a joke in boxing for a long time. If you've never been tested by USADA, you haven't been drug tested. The "tests" that Wlad did are little more than a formality.

It's true Wlad never failed a drug test... but then again, neither did Lance Armstrong! So I'm sure he's clean too... oh wait!

[El Kabong]

I honestly believe that if Wlad was not allowed to hug every 12 seconds without penalty, he would have gotten knocked out several times during his run.

He would have been a champ because he is big, skilled and fueled by "German sports science" but he sure as hell wouldn't have gridlocked the HW division for so long.

And drug testing has been a joke in boxing for a long time. If you've never been tested by USADA, you haven't been drug tested. The "tests" that Wlad did are little more than a formality.

It's true Wlad never failed a drug test... but then again, neither did Lance Armstrong! So I'm sure he's clean too... oh wait!

1. OK, by who. Who showed up really ready to fight Wlad...I mean FIGHT him not just land a lucky shot, I mean who was ready to take what Wlad was throwing in order to get to him? Names please.


2. FUCK OFF with the bullshit "German Sports Science" nonsense....he has yet to this very fucking day to test positive, he's taken all the tests everyone else has taken. You're just butthurt with that excuse.


3. Drug testing caught Tyson Fury...that's a joke? And on Cocaine too! How fucking dumb....nevermind I'm just not even going to go there with Fury


4. Wlad is Lance Armstrong?!?! Evidence Or is this more of a witch hunt because you don't like the guy?

[vidgil]

1. OK, by who. Who showed up really ready to fight Wlad...I mean FIGHT him not just land a lucky shot, I mean who was ready to take what Wlad was throwing in order to get to him? Names please.


2. FUCK OFF with the bullshit "German Sports Science" nonsense....he has yet to this very fucking day to test positive, he's taken all the tests everyone else has taken. You're just butthurt with that excuse.


3. Drug testing caught Tyson Fury...that's a joke? And on Cocaine too! How fucking dumb....nevermind I'm just not even going to go there with Fury


4. Wlad is Lance Armstrong?!?! Evidence Or is this more of a witch hunt because you don't like the guy?

1. A lot of guys showed up to "fight", the problem is that Wlad showed up to "hug". I think he would have been KO'd by a couple of those guys if he wasn't allowed to grab and hug the entire fight.

2. Again, those tests are just a formality. It's not being butt hurt, it's the truth. Again, Lance Armstrong.

3. Yes, and what test caught Tyson Fury? Traditional tests? Nope, VADA random testing caught Fury. Klitschko, to his credit, passed under VADA for that fight, but spent the rest of his career doing useless traditional drug tests where the athlete knows exactly when they are going to be tested.

Hmmmmm... come to think of it, the first time Wlad was under VADA random testing just so happened to be the worst performance of his career... coincidence??

4. I never said Wlad was Lance Armstrong. In reality, Wlad's juicing most likely puts Lance's to shame! I'm simply pointing out the lapse in your logic where you point to the fact that Wlad hasn't pissed hot as proof-positive he never took anything, yet there are dozens of examples of athletes who cheated their whole careers and never got caught, taking the same kinds of tests Wlad did!

[El Kabong]

Ah yes..... Boxing 101. Here's what Wlad got out of the course:

the SPORT (the entire sport, all of it, from the shoes to the gum shield) is about HITTING and not being hit in return.

Yeah the 53 KO's were just fighters getting exhausted and laying down for a rest....I do expect better from you, I don't know why I do after stupid posts like that but I expect better.

1. A lot of guys showed up to "fight", the problem is that Wlad showed up to "hug". I think he would have been KO'd by a couple of those guys if he wasn't allowed to grab and hug the entire fight.

2. Again, those tests are just a formality. It's not being butt hurt, it's the truth. Again, Lance Armstrong.

3. Yes, and what test caught Tyson Fury? Traditional tests? Nope, VADA random testing caught Fury. Klitschko, to his credit, passed under VADA for that fight, but spent the rest of his career doing useless traditional drug tests where the athlete knows exactly when they are going to be tested.

Hmmmmm... come to think of it, the first time Wlad was under VADA random testing just so happened to be the worst performance of his career... coincidence??

4. I never said Wlad was Lance Armstrong. In reality, Wlad's juicing most likely puts Lance's to shame! I'm simply pointing out the lapse in your logic where you point to the fact that Wlad hasn't pissed hot as proof-positive he never took anything, yet there are dozens of examples of athletes who cheated their whole careers and never got caught, taking the same kinds of tests Wlad did!

1. So you don't have ANY names, 0, none, nada, zilch, zip....he's only had 68 fights, take your time sweetheart maybe you can think REAL hard about it

2. Alright, so if Wlad can use steroids and be one of the best heavyweights of all-time (which statistically he very much is) then why wouldn't another fighter do the same thing? I'll go a little further, Lance Armstrong, horrible as he is as a human, won those 7 Tour De France's....was he the ONLY guy cheating? If he wasn't the ONLY guy cheating, then why couldn't another cheater beat him? Fair is fair, if Wlad is ducking the tests (he's not) then why aren't other fighters following suit?

3. Hold up hold up, did you say "Klitschko, to his credit, passed under VADA"....because that seems to poke a few holes in your theory of him being a steroids cheat

4. Sorry all I got from that is "B-b-b-but I don't understand how he wins".....bless your heart

[vidgil]

1. So you don't have ANY names, 0, none, nada, zilch, zip....he's only had 68 fights, take your time sweetheart maybe you can think REAL hard about it

2. Alright, so if Wlad can use steroids and be one of the best heavyweights of all-time (which statistically he very much is) then why wouldn't another fighter do the same thing? I'll go a little further, Lance Armstrong, horrible as he is as a human, won those 7 Tour De France's....was he the ONLY guy cheating? If he wasn't the ONLY guy cheating, then why couldn't another cheater beat him? Fair is fair, if Wlad is ducking the tests (he's not) then why aren't other fighters following suit?

3. Hold up hold up, did you say "Klitschko, to his credit, passed under VADA"....because that seems to poke a few holes in your theory of him being a steroids cheat

4. Sorry all I got from that is "B-b-b-but I don't understand how he wins".....bless your heart

1. I think Povetkin would have knocked his ass out if he wasn't forced to carry Wlad's roided frame for 12 rounds. There's probably others who would have one-punched him over the years. He should have been DQ'd in several others. There's no excuse for 180 clinches.

2. It seems like you haven't done your research on PEDs. Top of the line quality PEDs do not come cheap, and a guy with the money that Wlad does has access to substances that the average athlete does not. Maybe you should read up about BALCO and other designer steroid labs and educate yourself before you talk about this!

3. Along with researching PED's, I would advise you to read entire posts before you comment on them. If you had, you wouldn't have missed the part about that being the ONLY FIGHT in Wlad's 68 fight career where he faced legit random drug testing, and how "COINCIDENTALLY" it was the worst performance in his career!

4. All I got from YOUR post is "you eviscerated my weak logic, I have no comeback so I'll play dumb."


You have the attention span to sit through a Wlad fight, but not enough attention span to read 40 words? Damn bro.





Great deal! lmao

[El Kabong]

1. I think Povetkin would have knocked his ass out if he wasn't forced to carry Wlad's roided frame for 12 rounds. There's probably others who would have one-punched him over the years. He should have been DQ'd in several others. There's no excuse for 180 clinches.

2. It seems like you haven't done your research on PEDs. Top of the line quality PEDs do not come cheap, and a guy with the money that Wlad does has access to substances that the average athlete does not. Maybe you should read up about BALCO and other designer steroid labs and educate yourself before you talk about this!

3. Along with researching PED's, I would advise you to read entire posts before you comment on them. If you had, you wouldn't have missed the part about that being the ONLY FIGHT in Wlad's 68 fight career where he faced legit random drug testing, and how "COINCIDENTALLY" it was the worst performance in his career!

4. All I got from YOUR post is "you eviscerated my weak logic, I have no comeback so I'll play dumb."


You have the attention span to sit through a Wlad fight, but not enough attention span to read 40 words? Damn bro.





Great deal! lmao

1. OOOH gooody gumdrops, one name. Aaaaaaand it's Povetkin who....hate to break this to you https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...oned-meldonium tested positive for steroids. Wlad also fought Povetkin IN Povetkin's backyard and Wlad scored 4 knockdowns on Povetkin.

2. Oh I'm sorry I thought Wlad didn't have the eyes on him and no fans were watching him and if that WAS the case like YOU say it is, then where does Wlad get the money? I mean nobody wants to see him fight right?

3. There's a smidge more to that fight than random drug testing, but I suppose if your logic holds true then Wlad won't perform well vs Anthony Joshua, so I guess we'll see if your logic holds true won't we? Also if Wlad was on the gear and then off the gear for the Fury fight then why couldn't Fury knock Wlad out? Wouldn't that have happened? You say Wlad is roided out and yet he's "afraid to get hit" which doesn't really jive with steroid use from what I can tell....if Wlad was on roids and then vs Fury he was off of them (like you ASSume) then I would have figured Fury would have KO'd him....but what do I know only been watching the guy fight for what decades?

4. You ASSume Wlad takes drugs because Wlad is in shape and Wlad wins....so therefore he must take drugs. BRILLIANT!


Oh look hooked on phonics....that for attention spans? Then great you cocked up your own joke too twat waffle

[ono]

The clear best of a very bad bunch in a very bad era. His size alone would have made him a difficult opponent for any heavyweight from any era. But in terms of actual skill/ability/talent, despite being fundamentally very good, i don't think he's in any danger of cracking the top 10. Without his height/reach advantage he is essentially a fairly gun-shy, average fighter. Tyson Fury basically proved Wlad's level once his physical advantages were taken away for a fight.

[TitoFan]

Clinch-ko landed a grand total of 52 punches in the Fury fight. That means that the heavyweight champion of the world managed to land a punch roughly every 42 seconds. Forty-two fucking seconds in between landed punches! Time enough to get up and make yourself a sandwich or take a piss. And yet Lyle is going balls out defending this poor excuse of a heavyweight champion. The Povetkin fight shows Wlad initiating way more clinches than punches, but Lyle's defense is that the ref didn't call them... a weak-ass excuse when it's there in vivid color for the world to see. Rewatching the tape, it's disgusting to watch Wlad practically throwing his body on top of Povetkin's back over and over and over and over again. But the ref didn't call it, so that means Wlad fought a "great fight" and we should all be thankful to the great champion.

I wanted so bad for Fury to KTFO Wlad.... and had to settle for a decision in what had to be the lousiest heavyweight title fight in the history of boxing. And there's been some doosies. Wlad-Povetkin, Wlad-Haye, Wlad-Sultan........ see a pattern anyone?

The heavyweight division was on life support, and most of the world is glad Wlad's out of the picture.

[powerpuncher]

I always give the same reasoning and here it is.

It is no coincidence that wlad started dominating the division once most of the Lewis era HWs retired (or were very rapidly declining). He came up at the perfect time and got with the right trainer at the perfect time to dominate the division.

Don't forget that he lost or had trouble with very mediocre opponents.

I won't get into the Ross purity loss because I'll give him a break that it was early in his career.

He got destroyed by Sanders who never did much as a HW. He was hardly a named fighter when they fought. Williamson was robbed a decision against wlad and even knocked him down with a jab during the fight. Wlad was just lucky it was stopped early because he looked awful in that fight.

Sam Peter was another HW who was pretty bad but was just pushed to be a great fighter. Wlad got knocked down multiple times by someone who couldn't knock out a middleweight.

He then found his bread and butter and started finally having real success. He beat the fighters in front of him easily, but by that time, his opponents were all trash. That's why I said he hit his stride at the right time. So yes, he is a good fighter but he only started to dominate once all of the decent fighters retired. I won't get into the fury fight either because we all know what happened.

Maybe the biggest thing though is that his brother was always the better fighter so wlad was really only the best HW in the world for a few years. If they weren't brothers and actually fought, the whole wlad thing would have ended years ago.

[Boxing24]

I think all of this powerpuncher talk might be wasted anyway.

[TitoFan]

....I do expect better from you, I don't know why I do after stupid posts like that but I expect better.

I don't get personal like you do... (giveaway sign of knowing you're arguing on the wrong side).

[El Kabong]

....I do expect better from you, I don't know why I do after stupid posts like that but I expect better.

I don't get personal like you do... (giveaway sign of knowing you're arguing on the wrong side).

I know right

"It's amazing that you can sit there and.... with a straight face..... defend a guy who broke all kinds of world records for inactivity during his stinker of a fight versus the Gypsy King. But that's what being a blind fan does to a guy.

You're welcome." and "Shame on you." - TitoFan, to me