What will Clinch-ko's legacy be?

[erics44]

I am pretty much saying wlad kilts fights were fixed as much as they can be fixed without actually being fixed

[El Kabong]

I am pretty much saying wlad kilts fights were fixed as much as they can be fixed without actually being fixed

Stop pussyfooting around the accusation eric. I'm not being angry or mean, I just want you to be 100% honest and be yourself on here and that quote ....that shit ain't cutting it.


You're leveling the charge that in Wladimir Klitschko's fights it has always been Wlad & The Ref vs Wlad's opponent. Also the Ref will call fouls ONLY on the opponent and never on Wlad. That is what you want to say and you should say it, don't hold back, why hold back, this is an area for debate and opinion.


If you see it that way, then that's how you see it, nothing much I can do to make that right. Now of course it's an OPINION that you have and you can't back anything up with proof or evidence, but that's fine.

[erics44]

Every promoter / promotion favours their fighters, hundreds of fights have swung the promoted fighters way because they are the promoted fighter

The promoters have a business to run, if their money earners lose they could be massively out of pocket, could even end their business if their prize asset is on the wrong end of a decision

So it happens much more often that they are on the right end of a decision

Some fights are close that perhaps should of gone one way but go the other, others are blatantly bad decisions

Now fighters can be more protected depending on their standing and earning potential

The kilts with wlad took this to the extreme , wlad would generally win a decision / get a knock out and all they had to do was let him hold and lean, both of which are against the rules , and they didn't mind that it was extremely blatant and regular because the German public would still pay

The fights were never pre planned but the ref and officials were well aware of the job they needed to do to earn they type of money they were earning

[El Kabong]

Every promoter / promotion favours their fighters, hundreds of fights have swung the promoted fighters way because they are the promoted fighter

The promoters have a business to run, if their money earners lose they could be massively out of pocket, could even end their business if their prize asset is on the wrong end of a decision

So it happens much more often that they are on the right end of a decision

Some fights are close that perhaps should of gone one way but go the other, others are blatantly bad decisions

Now fighters can be more protected depending on their standing and earning potential

The kilts with wlad took this to the extreme , wlad would generally win a decision / get a knock out and all they had to do was let him hold and lean, both of which are against the rules , and they didn't mind that it was extremely blatant and regular because the German public would still pay

The fights were never pre planned but the ref and officials were well aware of the job they needed to do to earn they type of money they were earning

I didn't see Sam peter get warned for punching Wlad in the back of the head....at that point in time wasn't Peter a much more likely money maker considering the losses Wlad had suffered to Sanders and Brewster?

And the extreme blatant "against the rules" tactics of other fighters whom you never bring up?

[erics44]

Every promoter / promotion favours their fighters, hundreds of fights have swung the promoted fighters way because they are the promoted fighter

The promoters have a business to run, if their money earners lose they could be massively out of pocket, could even end their business if their prize asset is on the wrong end of a decision

So it happens much more often that they are on the right end of a decision

Some fights are close that perhaps should of gone one way but go the other, others are blatantly bad decisions

Now fighters can be more protected depending on their standing and earning potential

The kilts with wlad took this to the extreme , wlad would generally win a decision / get a knock out and all they had to do was let him hold and lean, both of which are against the rules , and they didn't mind that it was extremely blatant and regular because the German public would still pay

The fights were never pre planned but the ref and officials were well aware of the job they needed to do to earn they type of money they were earning

I didn't see Sam peter get warned for punching Wlad in the back of the head....at that point in time wasn't Peter a much more likely money maker considering the losses Wlad had suffered to Sanders and Brewster?

And the extreme blatant "against the rules" tactics of other fighters whom you never bring up?

common, do you really think that they were unaware of the potential fan base that wlad had at the time

and punching to the back of the head? wlad ran scared for 12 rounds in that first fight, his head was down or turned more than he was looking forward