The Myth of the British National Health Servi

[Kirkland Laing]

'Coercion at the point of a gun/The threat of jail?' You literally have no idea do you Lyle. People want to support the NHS. The ones destroying it are the elite born into privilege who have no need of it like the Current Health Secretary Jeremy CHunt , a man born into the same moneyed state as your Idol The Donald. Funny how you and The Brock are basically aligning yourselves with the aristiocracy and Royals.


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Yes YOU have the NHS and perhaps that is different I (an American) have the ACA and YES the way we citizens support that is COERCION AT THE POINT OF A GUN/THE THREAT OF JAIL.

Single Family
2017 $695 or 2.5% of income $2,085 or 2.5% of income
2016 $695 or 2.5% of income $2,085 or 2.5% of income
2015 $325 or 2% of income $975 or 2% of income
2014 $95 or 1% of income $285 or 1% of income


Those are the TAX penalties for not having health insurance under the ACA....pay them unless you want to go to jail or get health insurance either way your money leaves your pocket and not because you CHOOSE but because the Government has decreed. When the Government decrees it does so ALWAYS behind the force of the Armed Forces and Police that is how laws work.



How am I aligning myself here? I've not made a political statement in regards to anything other than I don't personally enjoy the ACA....I also wanted to see others' views on the NHS.

You don't go to jail for not paying the penalty.

If whatever the GOP come up with to replace Obamacare contains penalties for not taking out insurance will you still think it's tyranny?

[brocktonblockbust]

You see right there @Beanz right there! You are making stuff up and then doubling down on it, trying to invent ways to confirm your bias. You have no qualms about portraying me as one who cannot tolerate a differing opinion. You conclude that I in some way should've "bought into" not Trump but Clinton and 4 more years of "cops are bad/open the borders/don't detain ARRESTED illegals/catch&release/obamacare/PC INFINITY....and because Trump voters protested that fecal matter.named HillObama, it makes me a royal.

Mate you just couldn't make.this stuff up.

[Beanz]

You see right there @Beanz right there! You are making stuff up and then doubling down on it, trying to invent ways to confirm your bias. You have no qualms about portraying me as one who cannot tolerate a differing opinion. You conclude that I in some way should've "bought into" not Trump but Clinton and 4 more years of "cops are bad/open the borders/don't detain ARRESTED illegals/catch&release/obamacare/PC INFINITY....and because Trump voters protested that fecal matter.named HillObama, it makes me a royal.Mate you just couldn't make.this stuff up.

There is no way I would have suggested you vote for Clinton. Ever. I wouldn't have suggested you teach illegal Immigrants either but you seem to be in as much denial as the Donald.

[brocktonblockbust]

Beanz only 15% of my students are illegal. 85% are on Catastrophe Visas/Earthquake Visas (Nepali and Bhutanese), Domestic Violence Victim/Battered Woman status, Southeast Asian Women's Empowerment programs and F-1 student visas.

So of my 4 permanent classes @16 per class, there are over 56 LEGAL immigrants. That leaves no.more than 10 illegals. So what are you on about me being a royal? If I were any farther from being a royal, the NYPD would have zoomed in already.

[El Kabong]

You don't go to jail for not paying the penalty.

If whatever the GOP come up with to replace Obamacare contains penalties for not taking out insurance will you still think it's tyranny?

OK, so you have your refund taken. The government keeps the money you overpaid in taxes until they have an amount equal to what you owe and if you choose not to file or pay taxes you will end up in jail.


I do not want healthcare to be a requirement for me to be considered a legal and law abiding citizen, is that so difficult to understand? I will still not like the healthcare plan if it's mandated by the government regardless of who is currently running the government because that changes and will no doubt change many times during my lifetime and should some party that does not like me personally be in charge of the government then they'd have more of my life at their finger tips ready to control....so no I will not like it if the Republicans have penalties in there....is that OK?

[brocktonblockbust]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

[El Kabong]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

[El Kabong]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

#1. Where did I type that Kirkland?

#2. No Obamacare doesn't work as good as the Private system it is decidedly more expensive both in premiums and deductibles.



At the end of the day the young healthy people will have to subsidize the old and sickly. It's the same with good drivers subsidizing bad drivers when it comes to auto insurance, but there comes a time when an Auto Insurance Company can cut it's losses on an insured....no such thing exists in the health insurance world anymore. People living longer and people having fewer children will only make things worse.

[Kirkland Laing]

You don't go to jail for not paying the penalty.

If whatever the GOP come up with to replace Obamacare contains penalties for not taking out insurance will you still think it's tyranny?

OK, so you have your refund taken. The government keeps the money you overpaid in taxes until they have an amount equal to what you owe and if you choose not to file or pay taxes you will end up in jail.


I do not want healthcare to be a requirement for me to be considered a legal and law abiding citizen, is that so difficult to understand? I will still not like the healthcare plan if it's mandated by the government regardless of who is currently running the government because that changes and will no doubt change many times during my lifetime and should some party that does not like me personally be in charge of the government then they'd have more of my life at their finger tips ready to control....so no I will not like it if the Republicans have penalties in there....is that OK?

If you don't pay taxes in any country you ultimately go to jail. The entire first world must all be tyrannies then.

So if the GOP enact some similar kind of mandate you'll consider that as tyrannical as Obama?

You're already mandated to pay for your social security and for your healthcare after the age of sixty five. You're paying for them right now. What's the difference between paying for future healthcare via taxes and paying for current healthcare?