The Myth of the British National Health Servi

[El Kabong]

You don't go to jail for not paying the penalty.

If whatever the GOP come up with to replace Obamacare contains penalties for not taking out insurance will you still think it's tyranny?

OK, so you have your refund taken. The government keeps the money you overpaid in taxes until they have an amount equal to what you owe and if you choose not to file or pay taxes you will end up in jail.


I do not want healthcare to be a requirement for me to be considered a legal and law abiding citizen, is that so difficult to understand? I will still not like the healthcare plan if it's mandated by the government regardless of who is currently running the government because that changes and will no doubt change many times during my lifetime and should some party that does not like me personally be in charge of the government then they'd have more of my life at their finger tips ready to control....so no I will not like it if the Republicans have penalties in there....is that OK?

[brocktonblockbust]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

[El Kabong]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

[El Kabong]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

#1. Where did I type that Kirkland?

#2. No Obamacare doesn't work as good as the Private system it is decidedly more expensive both in premiums and deductibles.



At the end of the day the young healthy people will have to subsidize the old and sickly. It's the same with good drivers subsidizing bad drivers when it comes to auto insurance, but there comes a time when an Auto Insurance Company can cut it's losses on an insured....no such thing exists in the health insurance world anymore. People living longer and people having fewer children will only make things worse.

[brocktonblockbust]

Miles has fucked the system up so badly by having 6 Korean children with his 3rd wife ALONE! Fucking shill is a baby machine. Then he wants to talk overpopulation.

You just can't make this stuff up.

[Kirkland Laing]

You just can't make this stuff up. Lyle. Its like the euro-lefties/socio-commies just can't fathom anything but a Nanny State like the UK.

You couldn't make this up if you tried.

You already have nanny state healthcare in America for everybody over 65 and it's the only part of your healthcare system that works.

So you admit Obamacare is a failure. Thank you

So you admit the socialised Medicare system is the best part of the US system. Well done Woti.

Obamacare works as well as the rest of the private system for employed people. Which is, not very well. For the people it covers it's the least worst option as we're about to discover when the GOP attempt a replacement.

#1. Where did I type that Kirkland?

#2. No Obamacare doesn't work as good as the Private system it is decidedly more expensive both in premiums and deductibles.



At the end of the day the young healthy people will have to subsidize the old and sickly. It's the same with good drivers subsidizing bad drivers when it comes to auto insurance, but there comes a time when an Auto Insurance Company can cut it's losses on an insured....no such thing exists in the health insurance world anymore. People living longer and people having fewer children will only make things worse.

But Medicare does work far better than the private/employer pays system. Much lower running costs, much more efficient operation and so on. That's just fact.

And yes, the young subsidise the old in every healthcare system. That's why privatising medicare, turning it into a "premium support" system where comprehensive coverage is scrapped and oldies have to buy a private insurance policy, can never work.

If you think it's difficult to get a decent value policy when you're 35 try it when you're 75.


Here's what Trump has to say about his health insurance plans.


“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump told the Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
He added that under his plan, people "can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) has said lawmakers planned to take a bottom-up approach to replacing Obamacare in piece-meal fashion through the committee process, but according to the Post, Trump said his plan was nearly ready and that he was confident it would pass Congress.
“I think we will get approval. I won’t tell you how, but we will get approval. You see what’s happened in the House in recent weeks,” Trump said, pointing to the kerfuffle when House leaders had to withdraw plans to gut Office of Congressional Ethics after Trump tweeted against the idea.
Even the few details Trump provided about his plan -- “lower numbers, much lower deductibles,” according to the Post -- cut against many of the GOP proposals that have been put forward over the years that have offered skimpier plans with higher out-of-pocket costs.
“It’s not going to be their plan,” Trump told the Post, referring to the people covered under the current law. “It’ll be another plan. But they’ll be beautifully covered. I don’t want single-payer. What I do want is to be able to take care of people."

He's either full of shit or he doesn't know what he's talking about and is just repeating what somebody like Ryan told him (don't worry Don, our replacement is going to be terrific! ((but actually is a piece of shit that allows Ryan to slash taxes on the 1%)) ) or he's proposing the biggest new entitlement programme since Medicare.

If he is proposing a massive new entitlement programme do you fancy paying for it? If it's a plan that actually takes away healthcare coverage from twenty million people, the most likely scenario, how do you feel about that?

[Kirkland Laing]

You don't go to jail for not paying the penalty.

If whatever the GOP come up with to replace Obamacare contains penalties for not taking out insurance will you still think it's tyranny?

OK, so you have your refund taken. The government keeps the money you overpaid in taxes until they have an amount equal to what you owe and if you choose not to file or pay taxes you will end up in jail.


I do not want healthcare to be a requirement for me to be considered a legal and law abiding citizen, is that so difficult to understand? I will still not like the healthcare plan if it's mandated by the government regardless of who is currently running the government because that changes and will no doubt change many times during my lifetime and should some party that does not like me personally be in charge of the government then they'd have more of my life at their finger tips ready to control....so no I will not like it if the Republicans have penalties in there....is that OK?

If you don't pay taxes in any country you ultimately go to jail. The entire first world must all be tyrannies then.

So if the GOP enact some similar kind of mandate you'll consider that as tyrannical as Obama?

You're already mandated to pay for your social security and for your healthcare after the age of sixty five. You're paying for them right now. What's the difference between paying for future healthcare via taxes and paying for current healthcare?