The Brexit Thread

[Gandalf]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

[Master]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

A lot of British people do not take those jobs in hotels/nursing homes etc because they see it beneath them.

[Gandalf]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

A lot of British people do not take those jobs in hotels/nursing homes etc because they see it beneath them.

Well they shouldn't because it isn't beneath them. They are good jobs and certainly in the case of hotels and the costs there is no reason not to pay well and care is important and should be paid well too. See, that is where society is wrong. Hundreds of thousands to pointless directors and not enough to the ground.

[Gandalf]

My issue with foreign workers in hotels is more simple than that, Beanz. When I go to Japan it is always Japanese people in the hotel or beyond. I want to be in Japan, so I want to experience Japan. Same here, if I go to a motel it's expected that the people working will be locals. After years in pristine isolation, you go to England and you can't find any English people working anywhere. The hotels, the shops. It's a guy in the shop with a name tag 'Abdul' or something and I just don't know why it isn't a friendly old lady called Mavis. I've nothing against Abdul. I'm sure he is very nice, but I want to hear Mavis and her accent. I don't get to interact with English people very much. You walk around London and you swear that it is the Twilight Zone. It's very strange to see.

There is no reason why English kids cannot be computer programmers, care workers, all of these things. Kids in the UK need better guidance. I wish I had more guidance and some kind of role model. I ended up looking up to William Burroughs and it just gets you in trouble. Out here you have outsiders like me doing my thing and it means I never

In terms of me. I do work that is expected of me and it means nobody is going to be short changed. If I was teaching a Japanese class I am sure

[Gandalf]

My issue with foreign workers in hotels is more simple than that, Beanz. When I go to Japan it is always Japanese people in the hotel or beyond. I want to be in Japan, so I want to experience Japan. Same here, if I go to a motel it's expected that the people working will be locals. After years in pristine isolation, you go to England and you can't find any English people working anywhere. The hotels, the shops. It's a guy in the shop with a name tag 'Abdul' or something and I just don't know why it isn't a friendly old lady called Mavis. I've nothing against Abdul. I'm sure he is very nice, but I want to hear Mavis and her accent. I don't get to interact with English people very much. You walk around London and you swear that it is the Twilight Zone. It's very strange to see.

There is no reason why English kids cannot be computer programmers, care workers, all of these things. Kids in the UK need better guidance. I wish I had more guidance and some kind of role model. I ended up looking up to William Burroughs and it just gets you in trouble. I should have studied medicine or something useful. Out here you have outsiders like me doing my thing and I am expected to do it. Or else you have factory workers doing their thing. We're both on the periphery. I kind of like it that way. I'm not against foreign people doing stuff but the UK is a bit weird. Have a Brit driving the taxis for once.

[brocktonblockbust]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

A lot of British people do not take those jobs in hotels/nursing homes etc because they see it beneath them.

Oh yeah Master? Well you'll see how fast they'll take those jobs once the pay has to be increased much higher for British Nationals. You'll see how fast they take those jobs happily and cheerfully when they need to pay their rent and they earn several pounds per hour more than currently say for example Polish people are earning over there. You'll see how fast

[X]

The situation in Catalonia/ Spain is quite ludicrously undemocratic. Police beating up people voting for independence, mass arrests of 'ringleaders' ..... it is positively Stalinesque.

I wonder if Scottish people are thinking about their mass vote against Brexit? They voted to remain in an EU where you seem to be forbidden from having an independence referendum

[Master]

The situation in Catalonia/ Spain is quite ludicrously undemocratic. Police beating up people voting for independence, mass arrests of 'ringleaders' ..... it is positively Stalinesque.

I wonder if Scottish people are thinking about their mass vote against Brexit? They voted to remain in an EU where you seem to be forbidden from having an independence referendum

Add Wales to that and Cornwall. It will never end.

[Gandalf]

I agree, it is quite awful X. What makes a government think it has the right to occupy or govern anybody? If the state is rubbish then you should reject it. All the state has is force and it relies on people doing nothing to resist. In this instance people rejected the state and it is a model that elites don't want to see repeated. They won't let the people leave quietly. You see it with the UK too, but in a more subtle way. If you want to leave the EU then leave immediately and damn the consequences. I am all for self reliance. Grow your own food, build your own weapons and turn your back on mass concentrations of power. It's one reason Iceland is so excellent and the EU is rubbish. You need to know the names and faces of everyone in charge, have them within reach and be able to remove them quickly.

[Beanz]

The situation in Catalonia/ Spain is quite ludicrously undemocratic. Police beating up people voting for independence, mass arrests of 'ringleaders' ..... it is positively Stalinesque.

I wonder if Scottish people are thinking about their mass vote against Brexit? They voted to remain in an EU where you seem to be forbidden from having an independence referendum

Add Wales to that and Cornwall. It will never end.

Cornwall and Devon were originally part of Wales. In 838 the West Welsh fought the Saxons at Callington about 30 mins over the border in Cornwall form where I live, but I digress. I have just had a friend return to Barca after coming back to Plymouth for Family business and he has posted up a video of Catalan Police having to protect a School from Spanish Police and their fascist tendencies. Nothing from the EU condemning it, but also nothing from the PM or Boris either. They are as bad, unconnected, bureaucratic as each other.

[Master]

Brexit is a complete mess under these Conservative wankers who have no regard for the public and are interested in their own personal games of power and ego.

Boris is a complete an utter useless cock and should have been sacked ages ago.

May is hanging on by her finger tips.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44770847

[Beanz]

The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.

um.. i sense a slight exaggeration While in London there are an awful lot of European workers in Hotels etc that is not the picture elsewhere. I don't really understand where your love of excluded Europeans who can clearly do the job as well if not better than Brits comes from. They are not taking your Job and you could do your Job here. Nobody complains about French chefs working in kitchens but suddenly Polish dentists, despite our chronic lack of them , became the anti-christ.
When you have such a problem with National anthems, Empire, what you would see as stupid small minded Patriotism, I have always found it puzzling that you should be so incensed by Europeans taking advantage of the same freedoms to travel and work that we were offered. It's seems incredibly petty that the place of someone's birth should be so offensive to people when the jobs a lot of Europeans are doing are ones that the British have no interest in. It's the exact same argument as the anti-boxing crowd who say because i don't like It and I would not do it or watch It I want it banned. It is beyond petty. NOBODY has posted here with an example of losing their job because someone from abroad came and too it. Even the unskilled argument is hugely flawed and based on avarice and reverse snobishness. So while it is fine for qualified people like yourself and Brockton to want to better themselves, broaden their education and earn more money by working outside of their country, when unskilled people do the same thing IN EUROPE WHERE THE FREEDOM TO WORK IS EXTENDED TO ALL MEMBER COUNTRIES they are suddenly parasites. If they are from a poorer country then it is even harder for them to get off their backsides and travel here using the same initiative that drew the immigrants who built the states to America, and yet... they are seen as a problem not the British who decide not to avail themselves of the same opportunities and go and work in Europe. Because people themselves would not choose to do it they seem to begrudge and look down there noses at people who work as hard as them and have had to leave their families and homes to do so.


People love Phillipino nurses, Indians make brilliant surgeons and the best computer scientists, that is the way the world is. What is the problem when there are plenty of course for nursing, medicine etc but Brits just don't take up that opportunity in large numbers. It is not the fault of those who do want to work in those professions. It is the British way. We are an island and we blame everything on what we call outsiders and invaders when for hundreds of years we forced countries all over the world to try and act like us and adopt our often stupid customs and morally questionable principles. French was the official language here, Glasgow has always been full of Italians, Saint Patrick was English, George and the Dragon are Turkish, the Irish, Jews and Chinese have been here for hundreds of years. Are we just living in some kind of alt history invented by idiots in which they think that we can go back to a world that never existed because they don't like equality and want some kind of advantage over people who are made up of the same DNA as them ?


I sense you may just be so insistent on flying against perceptions that you have adopted the stance to be more bloody minded and unpredictable.