Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
The argument that you will need people from abroad to do the work needed is an argument that I really do not understand. British people can do most of the work needed to maintain a healthy and vibrant country. Asides from language teachers or cooks or things like that I am not sure who else you would need. Make the courses, train up the workers and just get on with it. Britain needs a bit more self confidence, all these doubts about being able to function with only British nurses etc. There are no British people working in hotels. They should at least have a quota of British staff. It is inverse xenophobia.
um.. i sense a slight exaggeration While in London there are an awful lot of European workers in Hotels etc that is not the picture elsewhere. I don't really understand where your love of excluded Europeans who can clearly do the job as well if not better than Brits comes from. They are not taking your Job and you could do your Job here. Nobody complains about French chefs working in kitchens but suddenly Polish dentists, despite our chronic lack of them , became the anti-christ.
When you have such a problem with National anthems, Empire, what you would see as stupid small minded Patriotism, I have always found it puzzling that you should be so incensed by Europeans taking advantage of the same freedoms to travel and work that we were offered. It's seems incredibly petty that the place of someone's birth should be so offensive to people when the jobs a lot of Europeans are doing are ones that the British have no interest in. It's the exact same argument as the anti-boxing crowd who say because i don't like It and I would not do it or watch It I want it banned. It is beyond petty. NOBODY has posted here with an example of losing their job because someone from abroad came and too it. Even the unskilled argument is hugely flawed and based on avarice and reverse snobishness. So while it is fine for qualified people like yourself and Brockton to want to better themselves, broaden their education and earn more money by working outside of their country, when unskilled people do the same thing IN EUROPE WHERE THE FREEDOM TO WORK IS EXTENDED TO ALL MEMBER COUNTRIES they are suddenly parasites. If they are from a poorer country then it is even harder for them to get off their backsides and travel here using the same initiative that drew the immigrants who built the states to America, and yet... they are seen as a problem not the British who decide not to avail themselves of the same opportunities and go and work in Europe. Because people themselves would not choose to do it they seem to begrudge and look down there noses at people who work as hard as them and have had to leave their families and homes to do so.


People love Phillipino nurses, Indians make brilliant surgeons and the best computer scientists, that is the way the world is. What is the problem when there are plenty of course for nursing, medicine etc but Brits just don't take up that opportunity in large numbers. It is not the fault of those who do want to work in those professions. It is the British way. We are an island and we blame everything on what we call outsiders and invaders when for hundreds of years we forced countries all over the world to try and act like us and adopt our often stupid customs and morally questionable principles. French was the official language here, Glasgow has always been full of Italians, Saint Patrick was English, George and the Dragon are Turkish, the Irish, Jews and Chinese have been here for hundreds of years. Are we just living in some kind of alt history invented by idiots in which they think that we can go back to a world that never existed because they don't like equality and want some kind of advantage over people who are made up of the same DNA as them ?


I sense you may just be so insistent on flying against perceptions that you have adopted the stance to be more bloody minded and unpredictable.