What happened?

[Fenster]

There's not a great fighter in history that hasn't had an unexpectedly hard fight (even dropped a loss) in their pomp. It's a testament to Golovkin that he's on a pedestal where he's expected to blow away all his competition. Now obviously the ultra pedantic "fan" will say "all the current middlweights are shit," so lets just step back a generation or two.

Would Golovkin or Jacobs really be considered an easy fight for the top middleweights from recent generations? Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik, Sergio or Tito, Winky, Joppy, Eastman, Simon, Abraham, Sturm etc.

Hopkins is the bonafide all-time great middleweight from those names, right? Mainly due to longevity not actual particular wins.

So where would Jacobs rank amongst first ballot hall of famer BHop's best middleweight wins?

[mikeeod]

There's not a great fighter in history that hasn't had an unexpectedly hard fight (even dropped a loss) in their pomp. It's a testament to Golovkin that he's on a pedestal where he's expected to blow away all his competition. Now obviously the ultra pedantic "fan" will say "all the current middlweights are shit," so lets just step back a generation or two.

Would Golovkin or Jacobs really be considered an easy fight for the top middleweights from recent generations? Hopkins, Taylor, Pavlik, Sergio or Tito, Winky, Joppy, Eastman, Simon, Abraham, Sturm etc.

Hopkins is the bonafide all-time great middleweight from those names, right? Mainly due to longevity not actual particular wins.

So where would Jacobs rank amongst first ballot hall of famer BHop's best middleweight wins?

I would place Jacobs on par with Hop's win over Joppy. I think Hop faced and beat better competition overall, and I don't think GGG has faced any kind of monster like Tito was at that time. Of that list I give Pavilik, Taylor, Winky, And Martinez great odds to beat GGG. I think Hop destroys him and lols phenomenal in the process.

[Master]

I think GGG beats Pavilik, Taylor, Winky, and Martinez and I do not think Hop destroys Golovkin.

B Hop has the skills to beat GGG but do not think he would stop him.

[Fenster]

@mikeeod - Where do you rank Joppy among Hops best middleweight wins?

Tito
?
?
?

[mikeeod]

@mikeeod - Where do you rank Joppy among Hops best middleweight wins?

Tito
?
?
?

Tito
Echols 2
Lipsey
Eastman
Joppy
Holmes
Oscar

[Master]

@mikeeod - Where do you rank Joppy among Hops best middleweight wins?

Tito
?
?
?

Tito
Echols 2
Lipsey
Eastman
Joppy
Holmes
Oscar

Nice list. Glen Johnson should be on the list, he was undefeated before he fought B Hop.

[mikeeod]

@mikeeod - Where do you rank Joppy among Hops best middleweight wins?

Tito
?
?
?

Tito
Echols 2
Lipsey
Eastman
Joppy
Holmes
Oscar

Nice list. Glen Johnson should be on the list, he was undefeated before he fought B Hop.

Good catch. Not sure how I could leave The Road Warrior off that list. I would place him above Echols on that list. Glen learned a lot in that fight and was a much better fighter when he beat Roy and Tarver, later in his career. For that reason, I don't place Hop's stoppage of Johnson over his performance vs Tito.

[Master]

@mikeeod - Where do you rank Joppy among Hops best middleweight wins?

Tito
?
?
?

Tito
Echols 2
Lipsey
Eastman
Joppy
Holmes
Oscar

Nice list. Glen Johnson should be on the list, he was undefeated before he fought B Hop.

Good catch. Not sure how I could leave The Road Warrior off that list. I would place him above Echols on that list. Glen learned a lot in that fight and was a much better fighter when he beat Roy and Tarver, later in his career. For that reason, I don't place Hop's stoppage of Johnson over his performance vs Tito.

I think Glen was quoted as saying as soon as he was hit in round 1 he knew B Hop was on another level to who he had already fought and him.

[Mr140]

I think that the 160 division has been a bit barren during the years of GGG most of the stars have been in 147,154 and 175. That being said now there staring to be some light in division which going to make it harder.

[Fenster]

So it would be fair to say Jacobs - let alone GGG - would be regarded as one of Hopkins best wins at middleweight. And that would certainly go for every other middleweight I named - that's if they won of course.

Golovkin didn't blow Jacobs away which means either - he's overrated or he had a bad night. When in reality Jacobs is better than everyone gave him credit for and wouldn't look out of place with past generations.