How many losses should Mayweather have on his record?

[TitoFan]

No disrespect to Robert Garcia, but I totally disagree with a lot of things he said.

Both of those fights lacked drama and excitement because of Mayweather playing it safe and boxing for the full 12 rounds. Mayweather obviously had no obligation to the fans to stand and brawl with Pacquiao and Canelo, because he didn’t have the punching power to fight that way against those fighters. Those fights were dull in the minds of a lot of fans, and it might have made some of them less willing to purchase other boxing PPV events.

Damn right he had no obligation to stand and brawl with Pac and Canelo!! Especially a Canelo who's a MUCH BIGGER MAN. Of course Garcia would've rather Floyd stand and stupidly trade with Canelo. Khan got a little too close and look what happened to him. Instead, in a battle of totally mismatched sizes, Floyd used his complete and total superiority in a boxing ring over Canelo to make him look like a total fool. Yes, a boring ass fight. But one that showed up Canelo for exactly the lumbering oaf he is.

Besides, the onus is on the opponent to put effective pressure on Floyd. Maidana did it. Cotto did it. Why couldn't Canelo and Pac? Pac unexplicably tried these awkward, ineffective rushes at Floyd, which Floyd easily deflected and/or blocked. Then came the shoulder excuse... er... reason. I like Pacquiao... but he completely let his fans down in that fight. It was up to him to take the fight effectively to Floyd.

The highest boxing PPV since the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight was Saul Alvarez’s fight with Miguel Cotto in 2015. That fight did 900,000 buys. It wasn’t a great. Cotto mostly boxed instead of going after Canelo to try and knock him out. Canelo fought at a pedestrian pace, as if he were afraid to gas out.

Again we disagree. I thought the fight was excellent. And OF COURSE Garcia would've preferred Cotto to stand and trade with the much bigger Canelo, who admittedly has a good chin. That way Canelo would've gotten his KO and Garcia would've been happy.

because his promoters at Golden Boy seem to be very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose. They still haven’t matched him against Golovkin, and it looks like they’re waiting for something to change before they eventually put him in with him. I think the PPV numbers will eventually start going upwards, but only when a new star emerges that is willing to fight the best, and not let his promoters steer around to safe fights against past their best fighters.

Not sure if it was Garcia who said this, but if he did, it's the first time I agree with him. "Very reluctant to put him in risky fights where he could lose" is probably the biggest understatement of the century. The bolded part pretty much says it all.



I happen to agree that Floyd has been somewhat bad for boxing, even if he's done well for himself. For whatever reason, he's never had the crowds rally behind him. Whether it be his personna, his fighting style, his perceived picking and choosing, his disdain for what fans want.... he's lowered boxing's stock during his years in the sport.

[Alpha]

I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.

[TitoFan]

I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.

Agreed with everything you said, except for the Floyd-GGG part. Personally, I've had enough of these boxing circuses. Canelo stalking around Teofilo Stevenson style before lowering the boom on poor little Khan..... GGG doing the same thing to Brook.... Canelo avoiding GGG at 160, but somehow miraculously jumping to 165 to fight JCC Jr...... guys calling out famous names 2 or 3 divisions underneath them. No... I don't wish to see Floyd back either except for a genuinely competitive fight. But.... with someone his own size.

[Alpha]

I have noticed a change since near the end of last year. More and more top guys are starting to fight one another. Sure the fights might not always live up to the hype but the fact that they are now fighting each other can only be a positive for the sport. We are only in April and have already been treated to a number of quality match ups with many more already scheduled. There are numerous reasons why this has started to occur but one reason could be that Floyd is no longer holding everything up and no ones waiting around on the golden ticket. If Floyd isn't interested in coming back to face a top challenge like GGG, Thurman etc then don't wish to see him back.

Agreed with everything you said, except for the Floyd-GGG part. Personally, I've had enough of these boxing circuses. Canelo stalking around Teofilo Stevenson style before lowering the boom on poor little Khan..... GGG doing the same thing to Brook.... Canelo avoiding GGG at 160, but somehow miraculously jumping to 165 to fight JCC Jr...... guys calling out famous names 2 or 3 divisions underneath them. No... I don't wish to see Floyd back either except for a genuinely competitive fight. But.... with someone his own size.

I get what your say and I agree to a degree. Mayweather and his fans like to claim he is TBE. Other greats have started their careers at lower weights than Floyd and had success at 160. GGG did also say he would meet Floyd at 154. That fight seems like the only worthy fight he should return for in my opinion. Although I would accept Thurman or the Brook/ Spence winner. There are definitely competitive fights like Lara, Andrade etc but I don't think they are on a big enough stage yet.

[ruthless rocco]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?

[Primo Carnera]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?

I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?

[ruthless rocco]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?

I don't know the answer, because I never posted that. But one serious question for you? Obviously you're a big Fan of Floyd's Rocco, my question is , Do you want to see him fight again, and if so, Who against?
the reason I ask this is I don't believe Floyd's fans particularly want to see him fight, I don't think Floyd particularly wants to fight, so why the fuck does everybody try to make these ridiculous match ups?

I'd love to see Floyd fight McGregor.

Floyd is pretty much done with boxing. I believe he's gone on record as saying that he doesn't enjoy the sport, and hasn't for some time. He is however, in the very unusual position to be able to profit from his boxing skill, talent for self promotion, and the current fixation on boxing vs UFC. He can make himself a shit tonne of money by promoting a mega fight against McGregor--a man who has followed Mayweather's blueprint for self promotion.

Now, boxing fans are mad a Floyd for not fighting all the biggest and heaviest fighters, or the current crop of top prospects. But he's not interested in boxing, or pleasing fans. He's put his health and life on the line for over 20 years of professional prize fighting, and now he just wants to make money. He doesn't want to take any more damage to his brain or body simply for your entertainment. He doesn't want to make other men (management, promoters, gamblers, etc...) a bunch of money by being beat up. He just wants to make money. Which is completely sensible -- but so many people have bought into Floyd's "Money" Mayweather persona, that they hate any, and everything he does.

What Floyd understands, and what many many boxing fans don't, is that prize fighting is about money. Fighters fight for money. Not glory, not to have the picture on the green belt, not to have an amazing set of statistics. Money.

[erics44]

I don't like Mayweather, I think you have to be as sporting in victory as you are in defeat

I think to be successful to any level the talent has to be there but there is also a certain amount of good fortune necessary

to rise to the level he rose to, enjoy it yes, but recognise the hand you have been dealt

[Alpha]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?

Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.

[Master]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?

Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.

Sugar Ray Leonard must be added to the list.

[ruthless rocco]

Which other "greats" started their careers at a lower weight than Mayweather and had sucess at middleweight?

Duran, Armstrong. Other guys like Gavilan and Napoles started in lower weight divisions than Mayweather started and although they weren't successful against the middleweight champ at least they had the balls to challenge themselves.

What weight do you suppose Gavilan, Duran, Armstrong, and Napoles' respective opponents were the night of their middleweight title fights?