Kell Brook v Errol Spence Jr - 27/5/17 Sheffield UK

[Primo Carnera]

You are what you feel you are? Ha! So you were born here, grew up here but don't see yourself as British? Lewis is as British and English as a cup of tea or a pint of ale then by both my and your standards. He was born in England, had said many times that he 'feels' British and fought his entire professional career as a Brit.

Why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he "felt" so British?
I was born in this country, correct.
I have dual nationality, own houses in both countries, was called up for the Italian National service, my son has represented Italy in sport, unfortunately I wasn't good enough to, otherwise I would have done.
You seem so upset and insulted that I don't "feel" English, I'm waiting for the next comment about "well if you're so Italian, why don't you fuck off over there?" Because that's what it feels like is coming.
You do make me laugh Beanz, with your little Englander attitude, yet on the off topic forums , you jump down people's throats for perceived ganging up etc. 😂😂

[Batman]

You are what you feel you are? Ha! So you were born here, grew up here but don't see yourself as British? Lewis is as British and English as a cup of tea or a pint of ale then by both my and your standards. He was born in England, had said many times that he 'feels' British and fought his entire professional career as a Brit.

Why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he "felt" so British?
I was born in this country, correct.
I have dual nationality, own houses in both countries, was called up for the Italian National service, my son has represented Italy in sport, unfortunately I wasn't good enough to, otherwise I would have done.
You seem so upset and insulted that I don't "feel" English, I'm waiting for the next comment about "well if you're so Italian, why don't you fuck off over there?" Because that's what it feels like is coming.
You do make me laugh Beanz, with your little Englander attitude, yet on the off topic forums , you jump down people's throats for perceived ganging up etc. 😂😂

well why don't you fuck off back there is you are so intalian

on the 'why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he 'felt' so British' point, I could be completely wrong but and this is just a guess, but could it have been a case of confidence?
you often hear of footballers playing for countries that they don't actually come from because they feel they will get more games, English players who have a wee bit of Irish in them often have to make the choice of 'shall I stick with England and run the risk of never getting picked or shall I go for Ireland where there is a much higher chance of me getting picked'

for what its worth my dad hates Lennox Lewis purely because he believes that he is Canadian.

[Primo Carnera]

You are what you feel you are? Ha! So you were born here, grew up here but don't see yourself as British? Lewis is as British and English as a cup of tea or a pint of ale then by both my and your standards. He was born in England, had said many times that he 'feels' British and fought his entire professional career as a Brit.

Why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he "felt" so British?
I was born in this country, correct.
I have dual nationality, own houses in both countries, was called up for the Italian National service, my son has represented Italy in sport, unfortunately I wasn't good enough to, otherwise I would have done.
You seem so upset and insulted that I don't "feel" English, I'm waiting for the next comment about "well if you're so Italian, why don't you fuck off over there?" Because that's what it feels like is coming.
You do make me laugh Beanz, with your little Englander attitude, yet on the off topic forums , you jump down people's throats for perceived ganging up etc. 😂😂

well why don't you fuck off back there is you are so intalian

on the 'why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he 'felt' so British' point, I could be completely wrong but and this is just a guess, but could it have been a case of confidence?
you often hear of footballers playing for countries that they don't actually come from because they feel they will get more games, English players who have a wee bit of Irish in them often have to make the choice of 'shall I stick with England and run the risk of never getting picked or shall I go for Ireland where there is a much higher chance of me getting picked'

for what its worth my dad hates Lennox Lewis purely because he believes that he is Canadian.

Your Dad talks a lot of sense , I think I'd get on well with him. although hate is a bit strong.

[Batman]

You are what you feel you are? Ha! So you were born here, grew up here but don't see yourself as British? Lewis is as British and English as a cup of tea or a pint of ale then by both my and your standards. He was born in England, had said many times that he 'feels' British and fought his entire professional career as a Brit.

Why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he "felt" so British?
I was born in this country, correct.
I have dual nationality, own houses in both countries, was called up for the Italian National service, my son has represented Italy in sport, unfortunately I wasn't good enough to, otherwise I would have done.
You seem so upset and insulted that I don't "feel" English, I'm waiting for the next comment about "well if you're so Italian, why don't you fuck off over there?" Because that's what it feels like is coming.
You do make me laugh Beanz, with your little Englander attitude, yet on the off topic forums , you jump down people's throats for perceived ganging up etc. 😂😂

well why don't you fuck off back there is you are so intalian

on the 'why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he 'felt' so British' point, I could be completely wrong but and this is just a guess, but could it have been a case of confidence?
you often hear of footballers playing for countries that they don't actually come from because they feel they will get more games, English players who have a wee bit of Irish in them often have to make the choice of 'shall I stick with England and run the risk of never getting picked or shall I go for Ireland where there is a much higher chance of me getting picked'

for what its worth my dad hates Lennox Lewis purely because he believes that he is Canadian.

Your Dad talks a lot of sense , I think I'd get on well with him. although hate is a bit strong.

My dad is very much like me, it takes a helluva lot less effort to hate someone than it does to tolerate someone, its a family trait.

Once when he was watching Emmerdale he got really annoyed at some woman on it and he turned to me with a steely look in his eye and he growled at me ''that slut deserves to get raped by a cow''

[Beanz]

You are what you feel you are? Ha! So you were born here, grew up here but don't see yourself as British? Lewis is as British and English as a cup of tea or a pint of ale then by both my and your standards. He was born in England, had said many times that he 'feels' British and fought his entire professional career as a Brit.

Why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he "felt" so British?
I was born in this country, correct.
I have dual nationality, own houses in both countries, was called up for the Italian National service, my son has represented Italy in sport, unfortunately I wasn't good enough to, otherwise I would have done.
You seem so upset and insulted that I don't "feel" English, I'm waiting for the next comment about "well if you're so Italian, why don't you fuck off over there?" Because that's what it feels like is coming.
You do make me laugh Beanz, with your little Englander attitude, yet on the off topic forums , you jump down people's throats for perceived ganging up etc. ������������

Lewis has dual nationality so why are you so reluctant to grant him the permission to call himself English? Nobody is denying you your right to feel as Italian as you like but it is pretty widely accepted that being born in a country and then growing up in it is usually what defines ones nationality. It's hardly controversial or me being a little Englander. You can also ascribe any attitude you like to me but why on earth you would think I would tell you to" fuck off over there" is beyond me. I worked in Milan for a while and all over Europe so don't see why I would be so hostile to someone with dual nationality. Does mean you can't claim to be neutral in a debate between Brits and Yanks though. I apologise if you think I am ganging up on you, nothing could be further from the truth.

[Primo Carnera]

You are what you feel you are? Ha! So you were born here, grew up here but don't see yourself as British? Lewis is as British and English as a cup of tea or a pint of ale then by both my and your standards. He was born in England, had said many times that he 'feels' British and fought his entire professional career as a Brit.

Why didn't he try out for the GB Olympics team if he "felt" so British?
I was born in this country, correct.
I have dual nationality, own houses in both countries, was called up for the Italian National service, my son has represented Italy in sport, unfortunately I wasn't good enough to, otherwise I would have done.
You seem so upset and insulted that I don't "feel" English, I'm waiting for the next comment about "well if you're so Italian, why don't you fuck off over there?" Because that's what it feels like is coming.
You do make me laugh Beanz, with your little Englander attitude, yet on the off topic forums , you jump down people's throats for perceived ganging up etc. ������������

Lewis has dual nationality so why are you so reluctant to grant him the permission to call himself English? Nobody is denying you your right to feel as Italian as you like but it is pretty widely accepted that being born in a country and then growing up in it is usually what defines ones nationality. It's hardly controversial or me being a little Englander. You can also ascribe any attitude you like to me but why on earth you would think I would tell you to" fuck off over there" is beyond me. I worked in Milan for a while and all over Europe so don't see why I would be so hostile to someone with dual nationality. Does mean you can't claim to be neutral in a debate between Brits and Yanks though. I apologise if you think I am ganging up on you, nothing could be further from the truth.

Nah mate, don't be daft , no apologies needed, just harmless debating . The only reason I'm reluctant to grant Lewis permission to call himself English is because he represented a different country and even won them a Gold Medal. somewhere along the line , the guy is a fraud, no matter how "Shy" he was.
The only reasons he became a Brit imo were for exposure and Financial gain. I know he would've done ok as a Canadian HW World champ, but not like he has done and certainly not in his early pro career. and that is what would've swayed him. At that time , we've had Him, Rusedski, Zola Budd and others all becoming British for the same reasons.
The ironic thing is that Boxing to me is probably the least nationalistic sport there is . I like Boxers from all around the World and more importantly I don't think I've ever disliked one solely for his nationality.
I know many other people on this forum who have supported Boxers from another country against one from their own country. That doesn't happen in other sports really.

[Beanz]

I don't think coming back to England to pursue his pro career make Lewis a fraud at all. It makes sense for all kinds of reasons. Another thread though in itself


You have to worry a little bit about Brooks stamina after having to cut so much weight and if he avoids getting clumped early by Spence he is going to need that for his concentration. That said I think it is well within him to walk Spence onto something big and finish it early. Will be interesting to see what the odds are on an early KO from either closer to the date.

[Primo Carnera]

I want to get away from this Lewis thing, but what I meant by Fraud was either in the Brits or Canadians eyes, because he can't be both. Put yourself in their shoes for a second and what would you think?

Anyway back to Brook v Spence, which is what the thread was originally about.
I hear exactly what you're saying, but something keeps coming back to me , and that is that we all know that Kell hasn't been the most disciplined in his earlier days and struggled at the weight, but it was he who INSISTED On this fight when his trainer and promoter are advising him to go up a weight.
He clearly values being a World champion and wants to keep it. He knows his body and if he's done it right, he's had plenty of time since the GGG Fight to get back down.
We heard all about this weight business before the Porter fight, but he did it no problem and never lost any strength. And one thing we do know is if he was a bit weak, Porter would've exposed that, because he's a little beast.
Also , I don't believe this fight was the biggest money fight for him. I reckon with the financial clout behind him , they could've maybe got a Cotto fight for him at LMW if he stepped up.
I keep coming back to Brook must seriously believe in himself and I just think he's gonna have enough.
I could easily be wrong because Spence is a wonderful fighter and could possibly be the best out of the lot!
One thing I will not accept having said everything above, is IF Brook loses, I don't want to hear anything about the weight. He's made the choice and has to go with it.
I reckon he'll win though!😄

[Fenster]

I couldn't care less about who or when Khan fights, his motives or whether somebody likes him or not. That has nothing to do with the question I was addressing. Whether people agree with me or not is entirely up to them, I've made my point.

On another note - Rusedski and Zola Bud chose to become British citizens as adults, they weren't born here. Lennox was taken to Canada, after being born and raised in London, through no choice of his own. Just recently Lewis was pissed off that James DeGale got all the plaudits for being the first Brit to become Olympic/pro world champion, arguing that he never stopped being a Brit even though he represented Canada.

[Alpha]

@Fenster don't you think P4P should be current? Khan hasn't won a fight in almost 2 years. He is 0-1 in that time. I'm not denying his past statistics but just want to get your opinion on that. Overall yes Khan has excellent stats when matched against other current British fighters; but his recent form does not reflect that.

[Primo Carnera]

Fucking hell! Now Lewis wants to be classed as the first BRIT to win a boxing Olympic gold?
I've heard it all now. Anybody would think the cunt was about 10 years old when he won it. He was a fucking Adult with choices ffs.
We're never gonna agree on this bollocks, so I'm just gonna leave it there!

[Primo Carnera]

Finally! Something I agree with you on. I've always said p4p is a load of meaningless bollocks! 😉

[smashup]

Groves vs. Chudinov to fight on Brook-Spence card on May 27

Groves vs. Chudinov to fight on Brook-Spence card on May 27 » Boxing News

[Master]

Groves can finally win a world title. Great.

[Alpha]

Groves can finally win a world title. Great.

It won't be easy.