Pitty-Pat Flurries vs Power Combos

[Master]

Reminds me of the fight between James Toney v Mike McCallum 1, where Mike was landing the jabs and point scoring shots and Toney would land the bombs and impact punches. Made the fight difficult to score for me but I went with the body snatcher when most went for lights out.

[TitoFan]

Really?

[Master]

Did you see Manfredo punching back?

[TitoFan]

C'mon. He didn't get slapped not even once during that PPF. He was covering up, but was by no means a defenseless victim.
Not to mention Manfredo was crap and should've never lasted that long in the first place.

[Master]

Ali pitti patt punches v Foreman's bombs worked.

[Gandalf]

C'mon. He didn't get slapped not even once during that PPF. He was covering up, but was by no means a defenseless victim.
Not to mention Manfredo was crap and should've never lasted that long in the first place.

When has Cotto ever managed to throw more than 60 punches a round. He could have used some Calxaghe fairy dust against Mayweather. It wins fights. All this plod plod plod 3 punches at a time shit is predictable. You can't throw with a Calzaghe windmill. GOAT.

[J_Undisputed]

I think sometimes it depends on the fighter. For instance, I watch Lomachenko throw flurries but you can tell that he varies the forces on the punches. Some seem to be designed to get his opponents to turn into the harder punches or blind them from seeing the harder punches.

Some guys are just soft touches. They are not blessed with the power to put a guy out. So I don't mind flurries if that's all the guy has, but for love of God, at least work on the accuracy and defense, so it looks intended on finishing a fight and not premeditated with the judges or referee in mind. Nothing worse than a guy that pitty pats you and then clinches you and then tries to throw real punches where its safe (like ward). Or pitty pats you and then gets on his bike with his hands up and out while circling you from 5 feet out. Pernell didnt really have that power, but i still never got tired of watching him.

I know i've had enough of the posturing for judges/ref, when i get to the point in a fight where im saying to myself... "If this was in an alley instead of ring... that guy would be dead by now..."

[Spicoli]

When I think of pitty pat punchers or flurry & flee types it also comes down to mentality and approach. Speedy rapid fire is fun to watch even if it's more clean than it is actually hurting. Head snapping sweat flying and cuts opening pitty pat and volume works, defensive minded elusive and the hands are as fast as the feet. I can handle that. But when it gets to some flurry punchers they wear it and are punching from the backseat. Camacho made a second career of it and Mayweather even wore the facial grimace, Nerf ball flurry and get away! But both and most in flurry mode could sit down power in spots to get respect and reset the table. Virgil Hill lived on flurry feather dusters and getting out but still has two of the most impressive first round ko's I've seen. As big a wanker as Oscar was and continues to be he had good power mix in his combos. Guys like McCullough, Juan Diaz or Dorsey were pure volume with little pop but their approach made them fun. Tim Bradley? Now Sam Soliman or Cory Spinks have struck me as swatting flies after a six'er.

[TitoFan]

C'mon. He didn't get slapped not even once during that PPF. He was covering up, but was by no means a defenseless victim.
Not to mention Manfredo was crap and should've never lasted that long in the first place.

When has Cotto ever managed to throw more than 60 punches a round. He could have used some Calxaghe fairy dust against Mayweather. It wins fights. All this plod plod plod 3 punches at a time shit is predictable. You can't throw with a Calzaghe windmill. GOAT.

Quality > Quantity

Especially if the quantity involves scores of PPF's. I thought Cotto did more than a respectable job against Mayweather. Certainly better than most of Floyd's recent opponents. He pressed Mayweather and made him work... bloodied his nose. No PPF's there. It's all in the eye of the beholder, I guess. You're a fan of the Pitty Pat Flurries. I prefer meaningful punches. Windmills are for sissies.

[Gandalf]

C'mon. He didn't get slapped not even once during that PPF. He was covering up, but was by no means a defenseless victim.
Not to mention Manfredo was crap and should've never lasted that long in the first place.

When has Cotto ever managed to throw more than 60 punches a round. He could have used some Calxaghe fairy dust against Mayweather. It wins fights. All this plod plod plod 3 punches at a time shit is predictable. You can't throw with a Calzaghe windmill. GOAT.

Quality > Quantity

Especially if the quantity involves scores of PPF's. I thought Cotto did more than a respectable job against Mayweather. Certainly better than most of Floyd's recent opponents. He pressed Mayweather and made him work... bloodied his nose. No PPF's there. It's all in the eye of the beholder, I guess. You're a fan of the Pitty Pat Flurries. I prefer meaningful punches. Windmills are for sissies.

I think Cotto did well too, but imagine if in some of the those rounds he had the capacity to throw 100 punches and give Mayweather even less room to breathe. The fight would have been his. It's easy to diss Calzaghe but he landed a lot more than anyone could land on him. Cotto could have used some of that pixie dust. It wins fights. That GIF of Calzaghe is picking and choosing. You could easily find one against Lacy where 8 out of 10 land. They are punches that bloody noses and cut eyes too.