Vasyl Lomachenko is P4P #1

[Fenster]

I never said it was an illogical concept.

Err... yeah you did.

How can a fighter two weights below be tougher fight that contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at?

Illogical, but if it keeps you happy to think it does, then so be it.

You can't deny it now as i've got your dullard mates accusing me of things i've never said precisely because I gave you multiple examples to prove it was far from illogical, or even out of the norm.

[Master]

I never said it was an illogical concept.

Err... yeah you did.

How can a fighter two weights below be tougher fight that contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at?

Illogical, but if it keeps you happy to think it does, then so be it.

You can't deny it now as i've got your dullard mates accusing me of things i've never said precisely because I gave you multiple examples to prove it was far from illogical, or even out of the norm.

The fighter I was referring to was obviously Brook!

[TitoFan]

I never said it was an illogical concept.

Err... yeah you did.

How can a fighter two weights below be tougher fight that contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at?

Illogical, but if it keeps you happy to think it does, then so be it.

You can't deny it now as i've got your dullard mates accusing me of things i've never said precisely because I gave you multiple examples to prove it was far from illogical, or even out of the norm.

You don't call people names, yet you've called Master an imbecile and me a dullard.
Yet I've refrained from calling you a moron, no matter how earned it may have been.

[Fenster]

I never said it was an illogical concept.

Err... yeah you did.

How can a fighter two weights below be tougher fight that contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at?

Illogical, but if it keeps you happy to think it does, then so be it.

You can't deny it now as i've got your dullard mates accusing me of things i've never said precisely because I gave you multiple examples to prove it was far from illogical, or even out of the norm.

You don't call people names, yet you've called Master an imbecile and me a dullard.
Yet I've refrained from calling you a moron, no matter how earned it may have been.

Call me what you want I couldn't care less. I've already told you - in my opinion - imbecile and dullard are apt, I never said I don't call people names I said i'm consistent.

[TitoFan]

I never said it was an illogical concept.

Err... yeah you did.

How can a fighter two weights below be tougher fight that contenders/ex champions at the weight the champion fights at?

Illogical, but if it keeps you happy to think it does, then so be it.

You can't deny it now as i've got your dullard mates accusing me of things i've never said precisely because I gave you multiple examples to prove it was far from illogical, or even out of the norm.

You don't call people names, yet you've called Master an imbecile and me a dullard.
Yet I've refrained from calling you a moron, no matter how earned it may have been.

Call me what you want I couldn't care less. I've already told you - in my opinion - imbecile and dullard are apt, I never said I don't call people names I said i'm consistent.

Mods should be held to a higher standard. Just sayin'

Otherwise, how are you to be expected to moderate a forum when the personal insults fly.

But I'm glad you're impervious to the name calling.

That relieves any guilt about calling you a moron...... if I were to do such a thing.

[TitoFan]

But this thread is about the opinion that Loma is p4p #1, and to those of us who consider a pro career something more than 9 fights, we respectfully disagree. That's not to say Loma won't be p4p #1 worthy soon... but anointing him now is a slap in the face to those fighters who have proven themselves over the course of a more significant number of fights. And........... since p4p is mythical and strictly about opinion... even us "dullards" are entitled to ours.

[mikeeod]

But this thread is about the opinion that Loma is p4p #1, and to those of us who consider a pro career something more than 9 fights, we respectfully disagree. That's not to say Loma won't be p4p #1 worthy soon... but anointing him now is a slap in the face to those fighters who have proven themselves over the course of a more significant number of fights. And........... since p4p is mythical and strictly about opinion... even us "dullards" are entitled to ours.

Is it about quantity or quality of fights If a fighter walked out of the amateurs and clearly beat Loma, Mikey Garcia, and Terrance Crawford in his first three fights, would you REALLY not consider him due to insufficient quantity

[TitoFan]

But this thread is about the opinion that Loma is p4p #1, and to those of us who consider a pro career something more than 9 fights, we respectfully disagree. That's not to say Loma won't be p4p #1 worthy soon... but anointing him now is a slap in the face to those fighters who have proven themselves over the course of a more significant number of fights. And........... since p4p is mythical and strictly about opinion... even us "dullards" are entitled to ours.

Is it about quantity or quality of fights If a fighter walked out of the amateurs and clearly beat Loma, Mikey Garcia, and Terrance Crawford in his first three fights, would you REALLY not consider him due to insufficient quantity

Ok that's probably not gonna happen.


But let's say it did. With a resume like that, if we're talking Loma, Garcia, and Crawford at their very best, it's almost impossible not to put the guy up there near the top. But p4p # 1 with only 3 professional fights? C'mon. Lots of things happen over the course of a pro career. It's only with a little mileage that you can prove how good you are at: overcoming serious adversity, overcoming bad days, getting tagged and coming back to win, etc, etc.

[Alpha]

Hi Alpha welcome back to the thread.


Ok, you mentioned Mickey Walker challenging Harry Greb at middleweight. But note that Walker had several fights near the MW weight immediately preceding this fight. He went back down after Greb as you say, then eventually continued moving up all the way to LHW. Probably a sign of someone needing to grow into his frame. Carmen Basilio campaigned most of his career at WW, moved up to MW, albeit a small one... and stayed there. Same with Griffith. Let's wait and see what happens with Brook. Maybe it's that he picked on the wrong MW to try and make the move up. The thing with Brook is he skipped 154 and went straight to 160... a very tall order.

No shame in losing to a top guy. I don't think it means he couldn't be just as tough a challenge as other contenders at that weight. We'll have to weight and see what happens with his career.

But this thread is about the opinion that Loma is p4p #1, and to those of us who consider a pro career something more than 9 fights, we respectfully disagree. That's not to say Loma won't be p4p #1 worthy soon... but anointing him now is a slap in the face to those fighters who have proven themselves over the course of a more significant number of fights. And........... since p4p is mythical and strictly about opinion... even us "dullards" are entitled to ours.

Is it about quantity or quality of fights If a fighter walked out of the amateurs and clearly beat Loma, Mikey Garcia, and Terrance Crawford in his first three fights, would you REALLY not consider him due to insufficient quantity

If a guy beat those guys it would be hard to dispute. At the moment it's a matter of other fighters doing better things so far in my opinion.

[Fenster]

Mods should be held to a higher standard. Just sayin'

Otherwise, how are you to be expected to moderate a forum when the personal insults fly.

But I'm glad you're impervious to the name calling.

That relieves any guilt about calling you a moron...... if I were to do such a thing.

How convenient, so you can say and do whatever you like but mods can't because you view them as parent figures? Grow up. If someone gets offended by being called an idiot, after making an idiotic post, then the observation is justified.

I'm entitled to an opinion just as everyone else is. If you don't like it - tough. What would be morally wrong (by my standards) is if I banned or censored you just because I think you're a dullard. Maybe one day i'll meet your standards of modderwaddering.

[Batman]

How convenient, so you can say and do whatever you like but mods can't because you view them as parent figures?

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[TitoFan]

Mods should be held to a higher standard. Just sayin'

Otherwise, how are you to be expected to moderate a forum when the personal insults fly.

But I'm glad you're impervious to the name calling.

That relieves any guilt about calling you a moron...... if I were to do such a thing.

How convenient, so you can say and do whatever you like but mods can't because you view them as parent figures? Grow up. If someone gets offended by being called an idiot, after making an idiotic post, then the observation is justified.

I'm entitled to an opinion just as everyone else is. If you don't like it - tough. What would be morally wrong (by my standards) is if I banned or censored you just because I think you're a dullard. Maybe one day i'll meet your standards of modderwaddering.

No danger of you ever meeting my standards. You'd have to become a mature adult first.

[TitoFan]

Let's recap some of your boxing nuggets of wisdom:

1. You have a lifelong obsession that JMM ducked Naz. You've devoted pages and pages of boyish-adulation-driven nonsense trying to back up that bogus claim.

2. You practically consider Brook a bonafide MW because he jumped up two divisions for one fight and got beat down by GGG. Then jumped right back down. We all love Brook, but do not wear the same rose-tinted glasses you wear, and are thus grounded in reality. You use bogus numbers and "back them up" with your infantile "Fact".

3. You declare that Lomachenko is the world's # p4p for no other good reason, but because you say so. Anyone who doesn't share your opinion is an imbecile and a dullard. Meanwhile, it is pointed out that you're a moron, and you take offense.



There's more, but you get the point.
Don't worry though. I'll always be around to set you straight.