Vasyl Lomachenko is P4P #1

[Fenster]

To say Brook would beat them at their weight was equally as silly.

No it's not silly as my reasoning is based on FACT. Can I prove Brook would beat these fighters? No. Does the evidence suggest Brook can compete with these fighters? Yes. Why? Lets take a brief look at the stats/form.

Geale - official weight 159¼ lbs: Lost TKO 3. Suffered knock down in round 2. Knocked down in round 3. Quit. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (20-17, 20-17, 20-17).

Rubio - official weight 161¾ lbs (Failed Weight): Lost KO 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-9, 10-9, 10-9)

Monroe Jr - official weight 159¾ lbs: Lost TKO 6. Knocked down twice in round 2. Knocked down in round 6, failed to respond to ref. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 1 (50-43, 50-43, 49-44)

Wade - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost KO 2. Suffered knock down in round 1. Knocked down twice in round 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-8, 10-8, 10-8 )

Murray - official weight 159¾: Lost TKO 11. Suffered two knock downs in round 4. Knocked down in round 10. Ref stops fight in round 11. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 2 (99-88, 99-88, 100-87).

Brook - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost TKO 5. Corner stopped fight due to eye injury. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 5 (38-38, 38-38, 39-37).

So the form highlights that - Brook weighed the same as these men, he was never floored - unlike these men - and won more rounds according to the official judges than all these men put together.

Therefore... why is it "silly" to consider Brook could beat one of these men?

[Master]

To say Brook would beat them at their weight was equally as silly.

No it's not silly as my reasoning is based on FACT. Can I prove Brook would beat these fighters? No. Does the evidence suggest Brook can compete with these fighters? Yes. Why? Lets take a brief look at the stats/form.

Geale - official weight 159¼ lbs: Lost TKO 3. Suffered knock down in round 2. Knocked down in round 3. Quit. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (20-17, 20-17, 20-17).

Rubio - official weight 161¾ lbs (Failed Weight): Lost KO 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-9, 10-9, 10-9)

Monroe Jr - official weight 159¾ lbs: Lost TKO 6. Knocked down twice in round 2. Knocked down in round 6, failed to respond to ref. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 1 (50-43, 50-43, 49-44)

Wade - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost KO 2. Suffered knock down in round 1. Knocked down twice in round 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-8, 10-8, 10-8 )

Murray - official weight 159¾: Lost TKO 11. Suffered two knock downs in round 4. Knocked down in round 10. Ref stops fight in round 11. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 2 (99-88, 99-88, 100-87).

Brook - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost TKO 5. Corner stopped fight due to eye injury. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 5 (38-38, 38-38, 39-37).

So the form highlights that - Brook weighed the same as these men, he was never floored - unlike these men - and won more rounds according to the official judges than all these men put together.

Therefore... why is it "silly" to consider Brook could beat one of these men?

Because you are comparing how GGG did against them and that is relative. Geale was at the end of his career and when he was champion he was a much better fighter.

[Batman]

To say Brook would beat them at their weight was equally as silly.

No it's not silly as my reasoning is based on FACT. Can I prove Brook would beat these fighters? No. Does the evidence suggest Brook can compete with these fighters? Yes. Why? Lets take a brief look at the stats/form.

Geale - official weight 159¼ lbs: Lost TKO 3. Suffered knock down in round 2. Knocked down in round 3. Quit. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (20-17, 20-17, 20-17).

Rubio - official weight 161¾ lbs (Failed Weight): Lost KO 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-9, 10-9, 10-9)

Monroe Jr - official weight 159¾ lbs: Lost TKO 6. Knocked down twice in round 2. Knocked down in round 6, failed to respond to ref. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 1 (50-43, 50-43, 49-44)

Wade - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost KO 2. Suffered knock down in round 1. Knocked down twice in round 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-8, 10-8, 10-8 )

Murray - official weight 159¾: Lost TKO 11. Suffered two knock downs in round 4. Knocked down in round 10. Ref stops fight in round 11. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 2 (99-88, 99-88, 100-87).

Brook - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost TKO 5. Corner stopped fight due to eye injury. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 5 (38-38, 38-38, 39-37).

So the form highlights that - Brook weighed the same as these men, he was never floored - unlike these men - and won more rounds according to the official judges than all these men put together.

Therefore... why is it "silly" to consider Brook could beat one of these men?

Because you are comparing how GGG did against them and that is relative. Geale was at the end of his career and when he was champion he was a much better fighter.

But Fenners is saying compare them at the time of the GGG fights.

Also can we not just all agree to disagree?

[Beanz]

To say Brook would beat them at their weight was equally as silly.

No it's not silly as my reasoning is based on FACT. Can I prove Brook would beat these fighters? No. Does the evidence suggest Brook can compete with these fighters? Yes. Why? Lets take a brief look at the stats/form.

Geale - official weight 159¼ lbs: Lost TKO 3. Suffered knock down in round 2. Knocked down in round 3. Quit. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (20-17, 20-17, 20-17).

Rubio - official weight 161¾ lbs (Failed Weight): Lost KO 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-9, 10-9, 10-9)

Monroe Jr - official weight 159¾ lbs: Lost TKO 6. Knocked down twice in round 2. Knocked down in round 6, failed to respond to ref. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 1 (50-43, 50-43, 49-44)

Wade - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost KO 2. Suffered knock down in round 1. Knocked down twice in round 2. Unable to beat count. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = Zero (10-8, 10-8, 10-8 )

Murray - official weight 159¾: Lost TKO 11. Suffered two knock downs in round 4. Knocked down in round 10. Ref stops fight in round 11. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 2 (99-88, 99-88, 100-87).

Brook - official weight 159½ lbs: Lost TKO 5. Corner stopped fight due to eye injury. Combined rounds won on official judges scorecards = 5 (38-38, 38-38, 39-37).

So the form highlights that - Brook weighed the same as these men, he was never floored - unlike these men - and won more rounds according to the official judges than all these men put together.

Therefore... why is it "silly" to consider Brook could beat one of these men?

Because you are comparing how GGG did against them and that is relative. Geale was at the end of his career and when he was champion he was a much better fighter.

But Fenners is saying compare them at the time of the GGG fights.

Also can we not just all agree to disagree?

No you have to draw it out to at least a year or two, wrong forum for quick resolutions. Fenster has owed me a poster for about 7 years now whilst Master is still saving up his co-op stamps to buy his first TV.